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Well I know the year before last when facing the Mavs, in the clinching game he has 17/10/5/3/3.
The year before that against the Mavs in game 5 when facing elimination he had 30/8/2.
Well, Davis ain't playin' 48, so there'd be ample minutes to go around.
Well I know the year before last when facing the Mavs, in the clinching game he has 17/10/5/3/3.
The year before that against the Mavs in game 5 when facing elimination he had 30/8/2.
Kobe in some elimination games:
1999 Conference Semi's vs the Spurs - 7-16, 16 points 11 point loss
2003 Conference Semi's vs the Spurs - 9-19 20 points 28 point loss
2004 NBA Finals vs the Pistons 7-21 24 points 13 point loss
2006 First Round vs Phoenix 8-16 21 points 31 point loss
2007 First Round vs Phoenix 13-33 34 points 9 point loss
2008 NBA Finals vs Boston 7-22 22 points 39 point loss
2011 Conference Semi's vs Dallas 7-18 17 points 36 point loss
Looks like a lot of chucking and his teams get curb stomped in elimination games. Guess he is declining big time.
But, had enough wherewithal to put the tired old bag Duncan down 5-4.
he put the bag down...but not before he took one last piss in it
Im not saying Kobe hasnt had his playoff mis-steps. what I am saying with the long runs the Lakers have had the past 4 playoff seasosn there are MULTIPLE games where he has had a big playoff game in a tied, elimination or close-out game. He crapped the bed against the Mavs, they all did and Kobe is a superstar so he DESERVES a big share of the blame. Many jump on Pau and rightfully so, but Pau is an all-star not a superstar so Kobe gets more blame just like he usually gets more praise when they win.Kobe in elimination games isn't pretty. At all. Just because he has a stacked team that gives him multiple opps, doesn't mean that way of measuring people makes a lot of sense.
I'm not arguing that Tim has not declined. I'm just arguing your method of propping your guys up to knock others. Tim has declined and from where his height was, it is steep. But that decline is still better than a whole lot of people.
That has no bearing though on this and Kobe's decline. It is happening and the point was that he will have to be ready to do whats right; go into the post more.
I only used PER because so many on here love that and win-share etc. I HATE stats ... Im just asking when was the last memorable game from Tim in one of the above situations in the past 3 playoffs? I have plenty of Kobe examples even with 6-24.
And again I am not trolling, I have stated many ime on here that I consider Kobe to be slightly ahead of tim (though the gap is widening a bit), so OBVIOUSLY I have timmy rated VERY high and have nothing but respect for him.
Just saying his decline is steeper than Kobe's because when he has "dug down" in key playoff games he has produced less.
And dont act like Timmy doesnt have:
1. A HOF coach
2. Borderline all-star back-court
3. and that he has lost to world beaters ... none of the teams that beat the spurs the past 4 seasons has won a le and only the Lakers even made the finals.
Kevin, with every chamber filled on a sabbath.
He has nobody up front with him. The closest thing was Dice in his last legs.
Now it's too late.
Another thing to show Kobe's pretty severe drop off in elimination games:
http://www.backpicks.com/2011/06/12/...es-since-1991/
So again, your criteria doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
But, he didn't have enough wherewithal to put out dancing JJ Barea through the lane.
Read again, tied, close-out or elimination games.
I just provided a ton of stuff to refute you and answered your questions. You ask about Tim having good games in close out games and I provided two in the past 3 years.
I'm not arguing that Tim has not declined. I'm just arguing your method of propping your guys up to knock others. Tim has declined and from where his height was, it is steep. But that decline is still better than a whole lot of people.
That has no bearing though on this and Kobe's decline. It is happening and the point was that he will have to be ready to do whats right; go into the post more.
& I invented him. Everybody turned their back and called him everything but a South American.
Well I know the year before last when facing the Mavs, in the clinching game he has 17/10/5/3/3.
The year before that against the Mavs in game 5 when facing elimination he had 30/8/2.
and DPG, I love how you pulled out the Kobe link but when did you answer my point of the whole thread? When was the last duncan dominant game in the above clearly stated situations?
I answered it twice.
JJ took your free candy, then made you like it. And you did. And you shall live up to it every day of your life.
twice huh....
Now this one I agree with ...sorry I missed this post. but in 3 years you only gave me 2 games. the other one would be a great game for Bynum or Pau but for a Duncan or Kobe I dont consider that to be a "vintage" game.
I bear my crosses in public. I invented Barea, then he beat me till I liked it.
17 and 10 is a "vintage" duncan game? LOL
We didn't advance that much in the playoffs, that would be a reason why.
That doesn't mean it's all on TD. It's not coincidence every other team's fan laughs at Bonner or RJ.
And I apologize I do realize that you have a lot less games that fit the criteria in recent seasons ...
You beat me to it and I missed DPG's post that Mav game definitely qualifies ...We didn't advance that much in the playoffs, that would be a reason why.
That doesn't mean it's all on TD. It's not coincidence every other team's fan laughs at Bonner or RJ.
But it came in a close-out the other way but still impressive.
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