Illegal immigration is not a problem.

[m>s]

illegal immigrant isn't a problem, at least not as much of a problem as "legal" immigration imho. illegal families may afford to pay for highschool, with or without government aid, but most of them don't have that much $ to pay for colleges. college costs are sky high tbh even some american families can't afford it, which is the main reason why so many american young lads have to head towards the workplace instead of realizing their american dreams in colleges.

families of legal immigrants, however, are rich enough to afford college education for their kids and are qualified for all sorts of government aid. kids of legal immigrants are sent to colleges where they'll spend 4 years and graduate with degrees, then they'll outcompete those AMERICAN lads who do not have college degrees in the new workforce.

illegals are dirting your neighbor maybe that ain't something you're supposed to like, but they ain't no threat or danger to this country imho. its LEGAL immigrants who're taking those decents jobs that american kids should have... they're about to claim everything you have and eventually take our whole country over.

time to STOP that i say. n!ggas grab your guns and start shootin em damn yellows on sight, LETS GOOOO!!!!!!

[Wild Cobra]

They paid their workers cash. Those workers don't collect from the unemployment insurance funds, and don't contribute.

Nothing for nothing sounds like a fair exchange for me.
Neither will those workers ever collect Social Security.

Again, a nothing for nothing exchange.

As the CBO noted, the overall impact, to the best anyone has ever been able to determine, is "modest".

Over the long run, given that their kids will get legitimate, tax-paying, jobs and will be paying into the SS system that you will be benefitting from in a decade or two, you probably shouldn't be ing about a "fair exchange".

So...

You are OK with them being able to put their compe ion out of business, who pay legal workers and taxes, by being able to offer services for less?

Shame on you.

[Wild Cobra]

Why do you hate the free market? Sounds like you want some socialist policies to prevent this "evil". Is that what you are saying?

I see. Another attack on me that bears no true merit. Just another attack.

If you wish to take that view on the free market, then why not look the other way of industry doesn't follow the rules and pollutes rivers, the sky, etc. Are you only willing to promote illegal activity you agree with? Does that mean I can promote illegal activity I agree with? Now what if everyone practiced illegal activity they thought shouldn't be illegal?

My God man...

If one business follows the rule, and another doesn't to save money, who do you think will be laying off workers? Are you saying you would prefer workers who pay no income taxes of SS insurance keep their jobs over workers who do pay into the systems?

Seriously think about the economics you are supporting.

[ElNono]

I see. Another attack on me that bears no true merit. Just another attack.

[Winehole23]

So...

You are OK with them being able to put their compe ion out of business, who pay legal workers and taxes, by being able to offer services for less?

Shame on you.

You would deny job creators this subtle edge in overhead? Why do you hate profits, WC?

[cantthinkofanything]

You would deny job creators this subtle edge in overhead? Why do you hate profits, WC?

What about robots though?

[Winehole23]

what about robots? are you one?

[cantthinkofanything]

what about robots? are you one?

LOL. Sometimes, I think that people are the robots but we don't know it.

But my question was really about how robots figure in to the whole population thing. I would think that with robots, you don't need as many people.

[Winehole23]

[Borat Sagyidev]

To be fair Borat, aren't you some sort of scientist? I think you should stick with that instead of going outside your field of study.

Essentially you're talking about adding 20 million people to a working population already facing almost 10% unemployment. Amongst these 20 million, the vast majority are low wage earners and don't pay much in federal taxes, although once given amnesty would start applying for social welfare and the costs would be staggering. Hispanics are second only to blacks in welfare received and it isn't by as big of a margin as you'd think. We have everything to lose and nothing to gain by granting them amnesty. The corporations and business owners would now have to pay larger salaries expenses, cost of goods goes up, putting a strain on the already strained middle class. It's also unfair to those who came here legally and waited their turn.

What's with all this classism bull ? Do you understand anything about production economies? They don't have to make much money for it to be beneficial. Dollars in the US and sent to the US produce a real trickle down economy. How do you think China is improving living standards? and they have loads of people.

Also, a white felon has much better job prospects than a equally qualified black male with no criminal record in this country. I bet that has nothing to do with it.

finance/economics 3.8 gpa due to graduate this spring

So you're saying because you did some mickey mouse program with classes like "business calculus" or i.e calculus for re s, you're an expert on the subject?


So Mr. Finance major, how do you create jobs, how do you pay for baby boomer retirement once you kick out the evil jorb takers?

Just wondering. You're the smart one. I should stick to my subject area.

Other posters try to back up what they say, when requested. Why can't you?

[mavs>spurs]

a real trickle down economy

[m>s]

The thing about illegal immigrants is that the rich making a killing off them while we get stuck with the bill. Every time they go to college, we subsidize part of it with tax dollars so that it's even somewhat affordable to them. Especially at community college. Every time they make a trip to the country hospital, yup me and you pay for it. And at the same time they artificially increase the supply for many working class jobs, driving down wages. Net loss for the middle class I tell you, and what we're hearing right now from all these politicians is just propoganda to try to get the Hispanic vote. Not one of these guys proposing amnesty will ever do such a thing, because the rich who have them in their back pockets won't ever allow it. They just spout off like the puppets they are and you people eat it up.

illegals don't get a dime of subsidy from the government, its LEGAL immigrants who do. you might have misfired at the wrong n!ggas imho

[Wild Cobra]

illegals don't get a dime of subsidy from the government, its LEGAL immigrants who do. you might have misfired at the wrong n!ggas imho

That may be true in some areas, but in Oregon, they don't require proof of legal residency to get government assistance.

[RandomGuy]

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/eop/2005/2005_erp.pdf#page=104

Chapter 4, the Economic Report of the President deals with the net costs of immigrants, legal and otherwise.



It's from 2005, for those s who won't bother reading the link because it came from Obama.

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/eop/2005/2005_erp.pdf#page=104

Chapter 4, the Economic Report of the President deals with the net costs of immigrants, legal and otherwise.



It's from 2005, for those s who won't bother reading the link because it came from Obama.

If that is a response to my last post, parts of it are either incorrect, or not enforced.

[MannyIsGod]

Sorry, we don't need illegal immigration. Legal immigration would be fine.

We also don't need rape or floods, but some sex and rain would be nice on occasion.

You think a rape and illegal immigration are analogous? Interesting.

[scott]

That may be true in some areas, but in Oregon, they don't require proof of legal residency to get government assistance.

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/eop/2005/2005_erp.pdf#page=104

Chapter 4, the Economic Report of the President deals with the net costs of immigrants, legal and otherwise.



It's from 2005, for those s who won't bother reading the link because it came from Obama.

If that is a response to my last post, parts of it are either incorrect, or not enforced.

LOL, this exchange might subtly be one of the best in recent history.

WC should have just said "I didn't read that link, because you posted it, but if it disagrees with what I say then clearly its wrong."

[MannyIsGod]

Let me know when Alabama's unemployment numbers show improvement based on their immigration law.

[MannyIsGod]

LOL, this exchange might subtly be one of the best in recent history.

WC should have just said "I didn't read that link, because you posted it, but if it disagrees with what I say then clearly its wrong."

Par for the course.

[Wild Cobra]

I searched the pdf for some pertinent information. Oregon does not abide by the areas I found.

[CosmicCowboy]

This whole immigration issue puzzles me. We either should accept it or stop it. If they want to stop it then eliminate the jobs. Require employers to use e-verify and then fine the out of them if they don't. I mean put them out out ing business. As for the freeloaders on the system, make citizenship a requirement for benefits. Anchor babies? Fine. You want to come over here and have your babies so they can be citizens? We aren't gonna turn you away from the hospital when you are in labor. After you pay your ing bill you can have your damn baby and we will give you a ride back to the border. When your kid is 18 they can come back. You can stay the in Mexico.

[Winehole23]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/07/us...cans.html?_r=2

[Wild Cobra]

This whole immigration issue puzzles me. We either should accept it or stop it. If they want to stop it then eliminate the jobs. Require employers to use e-verify and then fine the out of them if they don't. I mean put them out out ing business. As for the freeloaders on the system, make citizenship a requirement for benefits. Anchor babies? Fine. You want to come over here and have your babies so they can be citizens? We aren't gonna turn you away from the hospital when you are in labor. After you pay your ing bill you can have your damn baby and we will give you a ride back to the border. When your kid is 18 they can come back. You can stay the in Mexico.

Agreed.

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/07/us...cans.html?_r=2

Bad idea, unless it only applies to only spouses and dependents. The problem is, right now, people can bring in parents and other relatives. If we only remove the timeline, nothing keeps them form bringing in the entire extended family. That can be hundreds more for each new legal.

[Winehole23]

The Obama Administration has quietly thrown in the towel in a long-running battle to prevent disclosure of internal legal memos about its plans to force local law enforcement agencies to participate in the controversial immigration-enforcement system known as Secure Communities. The government also admitted it made an embarrassing mistake by giving a federal judge false information last year about the circulation of one of the do ents.


With much of official Washington shut down between Christmas and New Year's, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement division of the Department of Homeland Security released the long-sought memoranda on Dec. 28 to three immigrants' rights groups that filed a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit for the do ents.
U.S. District Court Judge Shira Scheindlin ruled in October that ICE had to make public a key memo describing the legal basis for forcing local police agencies to have fingerprint checks submitted to the Federal Bureau of Investigation also cross-checked in databases of alleged immigration violators. The Manhattan-based judge said in her opinion (posted here) that ICE adopted the memo as its official rationale by apparently reading from it in public. She also said the agency failed to rebut indications raised by the immigrants' rights groups that the memo may have been shared widely enough to void the usual attorney-client privilege.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-...ts-110124.html