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  1. #451
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    if Boeheim somehow gets charged with something, how do you figure Media will give him a pass?
    I asked the question first, Blake.

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    I asked the question first, Blake.
    It looks like an illogical random thought to me.
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    ^Don't be chicken , Blake, answer the question. Chop/chop.

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    ^Don't be chicken , Blake, answer the question. Chop/chop.
    Are you asking if I also wonder if Media will give Boeheim a pass because he's Jewish?

    The answer would be 'no' as in there's nothing to wonder about. I don't believe there is a 'pass' that Media hands out to select persons based on race/religion.

    if Boeheim somehow gets charged with something or gets fired, in what way do you figure that Media will give him a pass on that juicy news story?

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    It was like pullin' teeth, but, thanks for the answer.

    & I already figured they gave him a pass by sitting on the damn thing for 10 years. And then for not demanding his resignation in the backwash of his demeaning the children as just out for the money via lawsuits. And for not demanding "what did he know & when did he know it."

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    It was like pullin' teeth, but, thanks for the answer.
    most questions end with a question mark.

    next time try it and you might get your answer faster.

    & I already figured they gave him a pass by sitting on the damn thing for 10 years. And then for not demanding his resignation in the backwash of his demeaning the children as just out for the money via lawsuits. And for not demanding "what did he know & when did he know it."
    you're assuming Media already knew about it.

    why do you assume such a thing?

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    ESPN has had the taped telephone recording since 2002. I'm not sure what to make of that.

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    interesting that ESPN did have the tape for that long.

    here's their explanation as to why:

    Neither Davis nor ESPN passed on the tape to Syracuse University officials for an internal investigation of Fine in 2005. Syracuse chancellor Nancy Cantor noted in a statement Sunday that university officials did not have the tape at the time.

    "That is true. They did not have that tape in 2005," ESPN's Mark Schwarz reported Sunday night. "Bobby Davis did not know what to do with that tape. All he knew is that the Syracuse police had a cursory five-minute phone conversation with him in 2002. He then made the tape. He presented it to us. We didn't have a corroborating second alleged victim and so we kept the tape for eight years not really knowing what to do with it until the second alleged victim, Mike Lang, came forward."

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...18159020111128
    sounds plausible enough for me.

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    sounds plausible enough for me.
    I'll just bet it does.

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    Technically the admitted knowledge of the wife brings a form of corroboration enough to hand the tape over to authorities in 2005, or go to them sooner. It's not ESPN who has the authority to sit on exculpatory evidence like this. They aren't the ones who can determine worth or relevancy. In mine, and a lot of peoples opinions, withholding the tape feels like obstruction.

    That said, I'm not sure why Davis never took the taped recording to the police in 2005. Seems highly questionable as to motives on both their parts.

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    Apparently Davis offered the tape in 2005 but was told his case had its statute of limitations run out by Syracuse police investigators. So, ESPN was the only ones with the tape who could do something, and didn't until last week after Davis finally went public without them.

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    I'll just bet it does.
    easy bet.

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    Apparently Davis offered the tape in 2005 but was told his case had its statute of limitations run out by Syracuse police investigators. So, ESPN was the only ones with the tape who could do something, and didn't until last week after Davis finally went public without them.
    If police aren't going to do anything, what exactly do you think ESPN should have done?

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    If police aren't going to do anything, what exactly do you think ESPN should have done?
    Sit on it for 10 years.

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    If police aren't going to do anything, what exactly do you think ESPN should have done?
    I don't know, but sitting on it for 10 years doesn't exactly have them coming out smelling of roses. It was still a HUGE story, and they had a taped conversation with a victim and the accused's wife that suggested the claims were more legit than not. They are the media. Just because the statute of limitations ran out for prosecution to use the tape doesn't mean they couldn't air it in a "Hey, this is something that's been brought to our attention, here's the vicitm and the accused's wife basically confirming the allegations on tape. Believe what you want to believe."

    They do that, and maybe other victims come forward much earlier.

    It's just a weird story.

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    ^What he said.

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    exactly.

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    I don't know, but sitting on it for 10 years doesn't exactly have them coming out smelling of roses. It was still a HUGE story, and they had a taped conversation with a victim and the accused's wife that suggested the claims were more legit than not. They are the media. Just because the statute of limitations ran out for prosecution to use the tape doesn't mean they couldn't air it in a "Hey, this is something that's been brought to our attention, here's the vicitm and the accused's wife basically confirming the allegations on tape. Believe what you want to believe."

    They do that, and maybe other victims come forward much earlier.

    It's just a weird story.
    This.

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    It seems to me at worst that whoever initially got a hold of the tape at ESPN just didn't think there was much to it, especially if the authorities had already dismissed it.


    They might have ethically done more about it, but it's not any kind of evidence that Media is looking out for Boeheim and giving him a pass.

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    I don't know the intentions of those who sat on the video. But even beyond moral obligations, they are the media, and you report news, and this was BIG news involving a BIG program. ESPN has reported on more with less. Why they sat on what they had was very questionable. The tape alone is worth reporting on, because it confirms allegations of abuse at the hands of a coach still with opportunity enough to repeat the crimes of similar context. It's very much the same justification that Penn State ups gave where they each went to their respective chain of command and no further, meanwhile the offender stayed in the abusive context.

    ESPN let "due process" run its course, only, a failure to bring charges against the man because statute of limitations had run out isn't tantamount to innocence, so, with a tape as damning as they had in hand, they could have done a lot of good in running the story.

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    They might have ethically done more about it, but it's not any kind of evidence that Media is looking out for Boeheim and giving him a pass.
    Then you're blind.

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    what ESPN did was worse than what Paterno did, where's all the rabble rabble now? or did you all already get your fix of "LOOK HOW OUTRAGED I AM! I HATE OBVIOUSLY EVIL THINGS SO MUCH I'M SUCH A GOOD PERSON!"

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    Pat Forde, formerly of ESPN, and now with whistle-blower Yahoo! Sports, is tip-toeing that line between calling for more from Boeheim and calling for his head: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketb...issteps_112911

    It didn’t take long for the first sign that Jim Boeheim still doesn’t get it.

    Jim Boeheim took the podium after the Orange victory and showed he just doesn't grasp the situation at Syracuse.

    It came as soon as he walked into a packed postgame news conference after his Syracuse team beat Eastern Michigan on Tuesday night.

    “This is the first time I’ve been in the press room where there’s more people here than at the game,” he quipped. “Is there something special going on tonight?”

    That was classic Boeheim – a wisenheimer of the highest order. Much of the time, that act is entertaining. This time, it was completely the wrong tone to take in the current context.

    As a matter of fact, Jim, there is something special going on at Syracuse University right now. Something especially disturbing. Something that demands a more serious manner from a guy that a good portion of the nation would love to see fired right now.

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    This continues to nail it, dead on:::

    what ESPN did was worse than what Paterno did, where's all the rabble rabble now? or did you all already get your fix of "LOOK HOW OUTRAGED I AM! I HATE OBVIOUSLY EVIL THINGS SO MUCH I'M SUCH A GOOD PERSON!"

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