Tyson Chandler expecting to leave Dallas

[DMC]

I was not surprised by Chandlers' play. I've seen flashes of it before.

[Giuseppe]

Nothing has changed. The Mavs are done. The only thing different is the team won't be known as ringless losers. We found a way to win against all odds. But it doesn't matter as players don't see us winning again.

Thou, still s shocked from all the agony prior to this past June.

You never get over it. I still feel the catastrophe of '84 to this very day. I feel that more severely than I do the victories. I'll take '84 to the grave. Watching those Celtics humps waving those white towels and looking down toward the Laker bench. I had such hatred, I wanted to kill. Then when '85 came and we broke thru I figured the pain and wounds would go away and heal. Nope.

[JamStone]

I can see that, a front loaded contract, but even if that is the case, lets say he's making 10M next year, that is only 12.5M to offer to a super star who will command much more than that and the roster will only be at 7 people. But yes, if they could clear up other things, it would first have to go to getting the stars offer up, then they would have to fill out a roster.

It's not impossible, but all signs point to a lot of risk and little chance at it actually happening IMO.

What are you talking about a front loaded contract? I'm talking about normal contracts that have salary increases year to year. Say the Mavs and Chandler agree to $50 million for 5 years (giving him that fifth year just so they can keep that per year down). First season $7 M, second season (the season that it matters in this discussion) $8.5 M, third season $10 M, fourth season $11.5 M, fifth season $13 M.

And again, they may dump Corey Brewer and his $3.2 M or somehow find a way to trade Marion and his contract. Maybe dumping Marion is improbable, but people thought the same thing with the Knicks a few years ago and Donnie Walsh was able to do it. But I don't think Dallas finding a way to get enough cap space is that improbable.

And with Dirk and Chandler (and maybe Beabois becomes the star some think he'll be), I don't see why Deron Williams wouldn't consider Dallas even if he has to take a little less than max money.

[Monostradamus]

The only commonality between then and now is the team name and basically Dirk.

This team is not the 2006 team, not by a long shot.

If we're talking pure talent, I'll take the 06 team over the 11 team any day.

[Monostradamus]

I don't see why Deron Williams wouldn't consider Dallas even if he has to take a little less than max money.

I'd love it, but I highly doubt it happens. All these free agents, except maybe Paul, are going to go wherever the biggest pile of money is.

[DMC]

If we're talking pure talent, I'll take the 06 team over the 11 team any day.

But we're not. If it's pure talent, I would take the Heat.

Talent didn't sweep the defending champs. That was championship willpower. How many late game comebacks did the Mavs muster?

[DPG21920]

I'd say it is, considering Chandler/Aging Dirk/Aging Marion/Aging Kidd/Aging Jet beat Lebron/Wade/Bosh/Haslem/Miller.

So basically you are saying that Marion/Kidd/Terry is as good or worse than Marion/Brewer/Roddy B/Jones.

Ok.

[Monostradamus]

I was not surprised by Chandlers' play. I've seen flashes of it before.

Flashes. Never a full season. Never. Nobody on earth though Chandler had the durability or the will to play at that level for a full season, and if you say you did, you're a ing liar.

[Monostradamus]

So basically you are saying that Marion/Kidd/Terry is as good or worse than Marion/Brewer/Roddy B/Jones.

Ok.

You and I both have no idea what level Marion/Brewer/Roddy B/Jones will be as players a year from now.

[Monostradamus]

But we're not. If it's pure talent, I would take the Heat.

Talent didn't sweep the defending champs. That was championship willpower. How many late game comebacks did the Mavs muster?

Thanks for making my point.

The Mavs have had the talent for years. Only in 11 did the entire team put it together for 16 playoff games.

[DPG21920]

$13 M seems quite a bit much. My guess is even with interest from other teams, I think he'll end up getting a contract worth around $9-10 million per year, and maybe get one more year just to keep the per year down. And remember, even if it's something like $13 million a year, with salary increases, that could mean his 2012-13 salary could be something around $10 million.

The Mavericks could still conceivably have a decent amount to offer Deron or CP3. They might have to find other ways (trades) to clear a little more cap space. Maybe dump Corey Brewer's contract. Or find a sucker team to take on Marion's contract so the Mavs can use the amnesty on Haywood's. It's not just a black or white thing where if they re-sign Chandler, there are no other moving parts to changing the cap flexibility going into next off season.

What are you talking about a front loaded contract? I'm talking about normal contracts that have salary increases year to year. Say the Mavs and Chandler agree to $50 million for 5 years (giving him that fifth year just so they can keep that per year down). First season $7 M, second season (the season that it matters in this discussion) $8.5 M, third season $10 M, fourth season $11.5 M, fifth season $13 M.

And again, they may dump Corey Brewer and his $3.2 M or somehow find a way to trade Marion and his contract. Maybe dumping Marion is improbable, but people thought the same thing with the Knicks a few years ago and Donnie Walsh was able to do it. But I don't think Dallas finding a way to get enough cap space is that improbable.

And with Dirk and Chandler (and maybe Beabois becomes the star some think he'll be), I don't see why Deron Williams wouldn't consider Dallas even if he has to take a little less than max money.

I was referring to the bold part, where the contract scales backwards to get salary down in the year that matters. Again, I didn't say he wouldn't consider it. I said I think Mono is silly for not wanting to sign Tyson in the hopes of pursuing Dwight or a big time FA, when signing Tyson still gives you the possibility and either way it is not likely.

[Nathan89]

There are at least 5 other teams after Chandler. Many of those teams have cap space, but aren't contenders. Still, he will get at least what he made last year. Book it!

I don't think a team that is not a contender is going to offer him what he made last year. It would be a waste. The only way he makes close to what he made last year is if the Mavs sign him.

Mavs need to resign him,IMO. I don't see those players going to the Mavs. If that happened it would be all for nothing and the have a legit chance to win this year.

[DPG21920]

You and I both have no idea what level Marion/Brewer/Roddy B/Jones will be as players a year from now.

Well we can make educated guesses and I don't see anyone of those guys becoming HOF's like Kidd. Marion is an older verion of himself (which most would assume would be a slightly less to way worse version) and not many people peg Jones as anything better than 6th man of the year level (which is what Terry is).

Point is, getting a Howard/Paul/DWill to the Mavs is unlikely in any scenario, so if you have the chance to sign Tyson and still try and go after one of the three it is quite easily the best option (or go for another FA this year in his range to at least replace him instead of wasting what could be one of Dirks last tiptop years).

[DMC]

Flashes. Never a full season. Never. Nobody on earth though Chandler had the durability or the will to play at that level for a full season, and if you say you did, you're a ing liar.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...&postcount=100

Dallas isn't the Dallas of last year. With Tyson Chandler, they have a dimension in the paint they didn't previously have. Dirk can now hang back and feed off Chandler's paint presence, enjoying probably single coverage that he can easily shoot a high percentage over.

I knew OKC ed up when they passed on Chandler. I knew Dallas became the team to beat. I didn't know LA would go face down ass up, or that Memphis would kick our ass in the 1st round.

[Monostradamus]

Well we can make educated guesses and I don't see anyone of those guys becoming HOF's like Kidd. Marion is an older verion of himself (which most would assume would be a slightly less to way worse version) and not many people peg Jones as anything better than 6th man of the year level (which is what Terry is).

Point is, getting a Howard/Paul/DWill to the Mavs is unlikely in any scenario, so if you have the chance to sign Tyson and still try and go after one of the three it is quite easily the best option (or go for another FA this year in his range to at least replace him instead of wasting what could be one of Dirks last tiptop years).

After a le, winning another one isn't anywhere near as urgent to me, nor to Cuban I would bet.

I don't want to say I think on the level of a genius billionaire, but I'd be willing to bet that Cuban is thinking far more long-term than ever before. Do you sign Chandler, "go for it" for a few more years and when Dirk is donethat's it, or do you let Chandler walk and then take a gamble on landing a big free agent that would guarantee your team is in contention long after Dirk is gone?

[mavsfan1000]

Good news is we have plenty of money to throw at Barea.

[DMC]

Thanks for making my point.

The Mavs have had the talent for years. Only in 11 did the entire team put it together for 16 playoff games.

And thanks in return for making mine: The Mavs found a team chemistry that wants to win, and knows how to win. They've reached the summit and know how to get back there.

It would be a huge mistake to spin the wheel on that again.

And because Dirk is a mid range shooter mostly, not banging bodies unless he wants to, he's got some years left where he can still be effective on the offensive end.

[Monostradamus]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...&postcount=100

nothing in that post said you expected Chandler to stay healthy all season and lead the Mavs to a le.

I knew OKC ed up when they passed on Chandler. I knew Dallas became the team to beat.

show me one post before the season started that proves this.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Only reason they shouldn't resign Chandler is if they have a shot at Howard.

Neither D-Will nor Chris Paul are players you want to build your entire franchise's future around.

[DPG21920]

In the Mavs situation: Sign Chandler. I already explained to you how difficult it would be for the Mavs to get one of the Big 3 even if they don't sign Chandler. It almost would be just as difficult. I don't think you have a good understanding of the salary cap and the situation the Mavs are in, even after I explained it to you which is why we are arguing about it.

[Monostradamus]

Only reason they shouldn't resign Chandler is if they have a shot at Howard.

If they have the money they'll have a shot. Theoretically they should have the money to do it, which is why I'm against signing Chandler.

Is it still a longshot to get Howard? Probably. But again, I'm willing to take that risk knowing that they've already got a le in the bag.

[mavsfan1000]

I gotta say I got a tendency of being an emo mavs fan. Don't take all my comments seriously. Chandler would obviously be a huge loss. It's just that I don't think having him will get us another championship anyways.

[Monostradamus]

I don't think you have a good understanding of the salary cap and the situation the Mavs are in, even after I explained it to you which is why we are arguing about it.

everybody else says they'd have the money to do it, but no, I'll take your word for it. You're the guy who gets paid money to know these things.

[Monostradamus]

Don't take all my comments seriously.

or any of them. off, Bulls fan.

[DPG21920]

Also, one INCREDIBLY HUGE factor I didn't even mention: Dwight could very well be traded this season. It could be via Extend and Trade (not all that likely IMO), and even if it's just a straight trade, if it's to a team he likes you have to worry about them being able to extend him for more money than the Mavs can offer.

So I was only explaining how difficult it would be just by looking at the Mavs roster/financial situation and there is an entire whole other side to the risk of waiting as I pointed out above.

So to clarify: Don't sign Tyson this season, don't compete for a le, have a slim chance at signing Dwight on the chance he actually makes it to free agency.