Stinging Buck Harvey article on Jefferson

[The Truth #6]

I agree with Objective in general and believe that this article looks bad for the Express News.

Moreover, the Spurs at ude toward the media in general is what I find really annoying - not something indicative of a "class organization".

While we're all amused when Pop tries to make the media look like clowns by showing his contempt and obstinance, to me it's sort of a slap in the face to the fans. Pop and the FO might not like the media, but they're there to relay something to the fans. It's not like the Press are throwing anything but softballs at Pop. Instead, the Spurs want to manipulate the Press and feed anonymous quotes when it serves their purpose. CIA Pop sounds great...except when he's trying to bamboozle the fans.

The amnesty for Pop suggestion is weak. Pop should take his lumps just like everyone else. It's not like most people blame Pop more than RJ for RJ's own failures. The fact that the Express goes out of their way to carry the Spurs' water is kind of bizarre to me, but it perfectly illuminates where the balance of power swings in the relationship.

But hey...if this means RJ is on the way out then hallelujah.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

Do NOT amnesty RJ this year.

I repeat: do NOT amnesty RJ this year.

This upcoming season will be a wasted year. Wasted in terms of not being a full season, wasted in being a way to get younger players to learn the system and let the farm system (Toro and overseas players) time to mature, etc.

Honestly, how many of you realistically think the Spurs are destined for a Championship THIS year? Sure, it could happen if everything falls into place perfectly but the odds are probalby like 40:1.

Keep RJ and have him work w/ the youngsters (Leonard and Butler) and prep them for next year. Start Anderson at SG and perserve Ginobili for a serious run next year (use him as the 6th man). Trade Blair for a younger, defensive PF option.

Then go out there and try and win one more for the Big 3. If it works, great, TD goes out w/ a bang. If not, then you amnesty RJ NEXT YEAR and have about $35-40 million under the cap to play with.

[therealtruth]

Pop made the mistake in getting an offensive minded player and trying to force him into a Bruce Bowen role. He changed the offense up earlier in the season to help RJ and it worked. He just didn't stick with it. The team is more dangerous with Parker scoring less and passing more and RJ scoring more.

[ChuckD]

I agree with Objective in general and believe that this article looks bad for the Express News.

Moreover, the Spurs at ude toward the media in general is what I find really annoying - not something indicative of a "class organization".

While we're all amused when Pop tries to make the media look like clowns by showing his contempt and obstinance, to me it's sort of a slap in the face to the fans. Pop and the FO might not like the media, but they're there to relay something to the fans. It's not like the Press are throwing anything but softballs at Pop. Instead, the Spurs want to manipulate the Press and feed anonymous quotes when it serves their purpose. CIA Pop sounds great...except when he's trying to bamboozle the fans.

The amnesty for Pop suggestion is weak. Pop should take his lumps just like everyone else. It's not like most people blame Pop more than RJ for RJ's own failures. The fact that the Express goes out of their way to carry the Spurs' water is kind of bizarre to me, but it perfectly illuminates where the balance of power swings in the relationship.

But hey...if this means RJ is on the way out then hallelujah.

Actually, it's dead on. The amnesty is all about the organization and never about the player. It's a way to erase one front office mistake, and it's pretty much been sold/spun that way.

BTW, the E-N has been nothing but the Spurs mouthpiece since 99, when Pop got O'Keefe run. If you're expecting anything else, prepare for disappointment.

[stephen jackson]

No ^

i think we could do better with a distributing pg. its not like tp is elite anymore... hes regressed mentally to the point hes almost at rj level
em both

[itzsoweezee]

Then go out there and try and win one more for the Big 3. If it works, great, TD goes out w/ a bang. If not, then you amnesty RJ NEXT YEAR and have about $35-40 million under the cap to play with.

This is the only thing that makes sense.

I wish teams could trade their amnesty ability.

[JR3]

You missed the point here....the amnesty is for Popovich...


Pop screwed up just as bad in acquiring RJ...but POP always gets pardoned....it is always someone else's fault...or Pop brought 4 rings to the franchise....

or Blake's fave...."who else that is available now would you replace Pop with?"


Pop is the reason the Spurs didn't win 6 or 7 les....THAT is the true way a winner looks at things....instead of ....Pop won 4 rings....we owe him...blah...blah

I'm going to call BS on this one... Everyone and their mom thought Pop and RC were golden when they picked up RJ. RJ just disappointed.. fooled us all. Pop has done some stupid things... Bonner's minutes are out of this world and I don't understand them.. but the RJ move is not Pop's fault. Pop even put in the extra time last offseason to work with RJ.

[8FOR!3]

You missed the point here....the amnesty is for Popovich...


Pop screwed up just as bad in acquiring RJ...but POP always gets pardoned....it is always someone else's fault...or Pop brought 4 rings to the franchise....

or Blake's fave...."who else that is available now would you replace Pop with?"


Pop is the reason the Spurs didn't win 6 or 7 les....THAT is the true way a winner looks at things....instead of ....Pop won 4 rings....we owe him...blah...blah

Dude shut your damn mouth man.

[Obstructed_View]

I'm going to call BS on this one... Everyone and their mom thought Pop and RC were golden when they picked up RJ. RJ just disappointed.. fooled us all. Pop has done some stupid things... Bonner's minutes are out of this world and I don't understand them.. but the RJ move is not Pop's fault. Pop even put in the extra time last offseason to work with RJ.

RJ was a decent pickup because he had a huge expiring contract last year. The Spurs instead convinced him to opt out and signed him for three more years, probably making him untradeable and damaging the out of their ability to spend money in the market on players for the end of Tim Duncan's career.

[DMC]

I'm going to call BS on this one... Everyone and their mom thought Pop and RC were golden when they picked up RJ. RJ just disappointed.. fooled us all. Pop has done some stupid things... Bonner's minutes are out of this world and I don't understand them.. but the RJ move is not Pop's fault. Pop even put in the extra time last offseason to work with RJ.

Especially considering this:

"I was a bit annoyed at Pop myself----but I always said---

Pop and the spurs should be judged at the end of the season---and NOT written off...."

Silverblk Mystix

[silverblk mystix]

Especially considering this:

"I was a bit annoyed at Pop myself----but I always said---

Pop and the spurs should be judged at the end of the season---and NOT written off...."

Silverblk Mystix

This was a while ago...(when everyone was writing off the Spurs and POP---MID-SEASON!) and I did WAIT and see what the team under Pop would do--yet again--

and at the end of that season...Pop continued to hide Splitter...overplay Bonner...and completed the season Pop's way....Pop's way for the last four or five years....


That was when I decided to judge Pop...after watching this movie year after year after year....


When will the rest of Spurs fans have enough?

[jag]

cant hate on the trade, we got him for almost nothing, we just expected way more out of him.
also the fault can also be blamed on parker if we had a distributing pg rj could have flourished and became great... maybe the problem isnt rj but tony parker.

I knew it wouldnt take long

[SA210]

Then I'm a whiner too


Pop

[GSH]

The Spurs feed their agenda to the media, and the media pukes it into the groundwater to prepare the fanbase for the taste.

Absolutely beautiful line. I may make it my sig. Pukes it into the groundwater... heh.


But just for the record - Jefferson jumps UNDER the pile.

I'm going to call BS on this one... Everyone and their mom thought Pop and RC were golden when they picked up RJ.

If you go back to ST archives, there were a number of people here who thought Jefferson was a good player, but didn't make ANY sense in this system. I was one of them.

[The Truth #6]

Actually, it's dead on. The amnesty is all about the organization and never about the player. It's a way to erase one front office mistake, and it's pretty much been sold/spun that way.

BTW, the E-N has been nothing but the Spurs mouthpiece since 99, when Pop got O'Keefe run. If you're expecting anything else, prepare for disappointment.

This isn't a discussion of what the amnesty is - that's obvious. I'm talking about the E-N going out of their way to defend Pop when he's not really under attack. You agree that the E-N is a mouthpiece for the organization, so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I know how the E-N has been for a long time. That doesn't mean I have to agree with it.