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    "the average speed on the Autobahn is probably around 130 MPH."

    totally false. No speed limits but frequent congestion keeps avg speed way below 130.

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    "the average speed on the Autobahn is probably around 130 MPH."

    totally false. No speed limits but frequent congestion keeps avg speed way below 130.
    Did you live and drive in Germany for six years like I did?

    Almost daily, I traveled from Gartringen to Vaihingen. For short times, it gets congested. Not regularly, because of the speed and right of way laws.


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    you haven't proved your bull claim that the AVERAGE autobahn speed is 210 Km/H.

    You're evidence that military service worsens innate stupidity.

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    xeromass...

    Other differences between your two examples...

    Front track, 1577 mm US version 1798 mm German version.

    Rear track, 1549 mm US version 1766 mm German version.

    Ground clearance, 137 mm US version 96 mm German version.

    The US version has 1834 mm for width, the German version is 1820 mm, 2062 with mirrors.

    If you really saw real German cars compared to their US market counterparts, you would know they are not the same just because the name is. One thing I found ironic is a US BMW 328 would be called a BMW 325 in Germany.

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    you haven't proved your bull claim that the AVERAGE autobahn speed is 210 Km/H.

    You're evidence that military service worsens innate stupidity.
    The traffic that can flow that fast does. I don't care if you believe it or not.

    You ever drive in Germany?

    I will adjust my claim to an average cruising speed on the autobahn is 130 MPH. I never intended that an average trip was that speed. German cars don't exceed 155 MPH. They have an governor that limits them to 250 KPH. It was no challenge to pass them in my Firebird that looked like Burt Reynold's Blackbird, but in blue, and no T-Top.

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    "The traffic that can flow that fast does"

    that's not an average

    "You ever drive in Germany?"

    yes, many times, all weathers, and I lived in Neu-Isenburg for 3 months. Obviously non-military, as my brilliant intelligence demonstrates.

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    Unforunately for GM, most people will not look past "It caught fire.....".
    Maybe in the short term, but long term I don't think that's much of a concern. IMO, people who were inclined to be interested in a car like the Volt will give GM the benefit of the doubt and the people who hang on to the "it caught fire" part weren't ever really seriously considering the Volt to begin with.

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    The traffic that can flow that fast does. I don't care if you believe it or not.

    You ever drive in Germany?

    I will adjust my claim to an average cruising speed on the autobahn is 130 MPH. I never intended that an average trip was that speed. German cars don't exceed 155 MPH. They have an governor that limits them to 250 KPH. It was no challenge to pass them in my Firebird that looked like Burt Reynold's Blackbird, but in blue, and no T-Top.


    The average speed traveled on the autobahn in unregulated areas by automobiles not regulated by other laws is about 150 km/h


    .... and yes I also lived in Germany.

    150 kph = 93.2056788 mph


    Oh, and Stau is a horrible problem in between cities. Going from Berlin to Munich, we got caught in it going both directions and it added about 1.5-2 hours to our trip. My host-family confirmed that this was a normal occurrence.

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    The average speed traveled on the autobahn in unregulated areas by automobiles not regulated by other laws is about 150 km/h


    .... and yes I also lived in Germany.

    150 kph = 93.2056788 mph


    Oh, and Stau is a horrible problem in between cities. Going from Berlin to Munich, we got caught in it going both directions and it added about 1.5-2 hours to our trip. My host-family confirmed that this was a normal occurrence.
    Sure, if you add trucks to the equation.

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    Sure, if you add trucks to the equation.
    You lived in germany for 6 years, you should know that trucks are regulated (i.e. they have a speed limit on all areas of the AB). Being regulated, they are not represented by the above statement.

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    I'm sorry you lived in an area that had such problems. I didn't. I would cruise between the Stuttgart, Mannheim, Frankfurt, and Landstuhl areas. It was very rare to have slowing in the traffic.

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    Because of Germany's location in central Europe, traffic on the Autobahn is generally quite heavy. In 2008, motorists logged a staggering 225.3 billion kilometers on the Autobahn, averaging almost 50,000 vehicles per day on any given segment. As a result, traffic jams (Stau) occur frequently on the Autobahn, especially on Fridays, Sundays, holidays, and anytime after an accident or during bad weather or construction. Regional traffic reports, with a variety of names including Verkehrsmeldungen, Verkehrsdienst, Verkehrsfunk, and Stauschau, are excellent and are provided on most radio stations. Germany is divided into several traffic reporting regions (Verkehrsrundfunkbereich); signs along the road indicate the local radio stations carrying the traffic reports for the region you are in. You will need to have a working knowledge of German to understand them, though.

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    Just so you are aware the word "Stau" was created/repurposed by Germans specifically to describe the intercity traffic on the AB.

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    link


    Just so you are aware the word "Stau" was created/repurposed by Germans specifically to describe the intercity traffic on the AB.
    Looks like things have changed over there with the adoption of the European Union.

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    Looks like things have changed over there with the adoption of the European Union.
    When did you live there? I lived there in 96-97 and these things were true then.

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    When did you live there? I lived there in 96-97 and these things were true then.
    Left in '92. I was in a stau once in my six years.

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    GM, NHTSA Delayed Volt Warnings To Prop Up Sales

    Lauren Weinstein excerpts the most interesting part of a BBC story about the safety hazards associated with the Chevy Volt — specifically, the risk that its battery pack could catch fire after even a minor impact. While it might be unsurprising that GM was reluctant to shout out safety warnings that would dampen early sales of its much touted hybrid, according to the linked story the NHTSA was as well, and for the same reason: "Part of the reason for delaying the disclosure was the 'fragility of Volt sales' up until that point, according to Joan Claybrook, a former administrator at NHTSA."

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    GM, NHTSA Delayed Volt Warnings To Prop Up Sales

    Lauren Weinstein excerpts the most interesting part of a BBC story about the safety hazards associated with the Chevy Volt — specifically, the risk that its battery pack could catch fire after even a minor impact. While it might be unsurprising that GM was reluctant to shout out safety warnings that would dampen early sales of its much touted hybrid, according to the linked story the NHTSA was as well, and for the same reason: "Part of the reason for delaying the disclosure was the 'fragility of Volt sales' up until that point, according to Joan Claybrook, a former administrator at NHTSA."
    A. Nhtsa is being called on the carpet for this by congress....not for delaying as much as leaving out data from the report.
    B. The battery pack will not catch fire after a minor impact.
    C. GM was not reluctant to shout safety warnings that were utter nonsense.

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