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    And now we come full circle

    Yes, that's what I read too, which is what's pointed out here:
    http://buildmobile.com/whats-coming-...ream-sandwich/

    Still not sure how much of a timer saver it is though.
    I guess a big ol' Rick Perry is in order here (oops). I couldn't remember if this was discussed in this thread or not. I will defer to you as to how much it will help, though some of the android developers that I know on other forums seem to be quite excited by it.

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    I guess a big ol' Rick Perry is in order here (oops). I couldn't remember if this was discussed in this thread or not. I will defer to you as to how much it will help, though some of the android developers that I know on other forums seem to be quite excited by it.
    And they should. With all the mobile app activity these days, anything that reduces time-to-market is huge.

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    I have to say if the TP is as successful as the original, I could see Asus leading the android charge. They are coming out with a Tegra 3 phone next year and they are (at least IMHO) synonymous with quality. When I built computers, I used Asus components wherever possible. My current and previous laptops were asus and run great. If that quality and innovation continues to carry over to the mobile side, they could be a force to be reckoned with.
    Now that you mentioned it I own/owned many Asus products:
    - Motherboard for comp in '05
    - My first laptop in '06
    - My second laptop in '09
    - My 23" LED monitor, motherboard for my current PC
    - My current wireless N router

    Solid products, only thing on that list that sucks balls is my router. Laptops received door-to-door service for any issue, and now warranty for laptop is 2 years standard.

    I'm pretty sure if I come across a Transformer Prime I'll likely pull the trigger.

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    Nope. You couldn't possibly have a tablet-UI when the API isn't there. That's exactly what ICS brings to the table.
    let's see. you develop an app for iphone and it works on ipad. you develop an app for android phone and works on android tablet. I don't see a problem here.

    It doesn't have to be like that. And certainly, that's the big plus you're getting for free here. The users get two different experiences, but the developer only had to write towards one API. And it's a big reason why there's so many native iPad apps out there.

    That's why it's called universal, as opposed to a phone app. It doesn't just works on both, but they actually behave distinctly on both, but it's handled entirely by the system.

    For example, when you display a popup menu, the API is exactly the same, but on the tablet it will display on a popup, where on the phone it will be a menu that slides from the bottom. Or when printing, you'll get the print options in a popup on the tablet, where it takes you to another screen in the phone. It's all handed by the system, and it's a time saver, because it does what's natural for that device, and I don't have to sit down and re-invent the wheel. Now, if you want to customize per device, you can do that too.

    The convergence of APIs on ICS will hopefully prompt to the same kind of "smarts" on Android.
    no. IMO phone and tablet are 2 different platforms. Thus if you really want a true tablet app you need to build it specifically for tablet.

    Main reasoning is the real estate difference and the whole experience is different, gestures, etc.

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    let's see. you develop an app for iphone and it works on ipad. you develop an app for android phone and works on android tablet. I don't see a problem here.
    You're missing the third category: You develop an app for both and it works on both. On the phone, it works as a phone app, on the tablet, it works as a tablet app.

    no. IMO phone and tablet are 2 different platforms. Thus if you really want a true tablet app you need to build it specifically for tablet.
    Main reasoning is the real estate difference and the whole experience is different, gestures, etc.
    They are two different platforms. But, what if the OS handled the difference for you? On the tablet, you get the extra real-estate, gestures and the whole tablet experience. On the phone you get the phone experience. Neat, uh?

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    You're missing the third category: You develop an app for both and it works on both. On the phone, it works as a phone app, on the tablet, it works as a tablet app.



    They are two different platforms. But, what if the OS handled the difference for you? On the tablet, you get the extra real-estate, gestures and the whole tablet experience. On the phone you get the phone experience. Neat, uh?
    I also forgot to mention the computing power. tablets are starting to be monsters and pulling ahead of phones. even more need to have true tablet apps that take advantage of this.

    IMO developers will always have 3 choices:
    1) make an app that will run on both
    2) make a phone app
    3) make a tablet app

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    I also forgot to mention the computing power. tablets are starting to be monsters and pulling ahead of phones. even more need to have true tablet apps that take advantage of this.
    Why do you say this? everything that is in a tablet is going into phones.


    case in point: the Transformer prime will be out sometime this month and that Tegra 3 powered Asus Padfone will be out late next month.

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    Why do you say this? everything that is in a tablet is going into phones.


    case in point: the Transformer prime will be out sometime this month and that Tegra 3 powered Asus Padfone will be out late next month.
    There will always be monster phones. But those will be few. The bread and butter phones will not be able to compete with bread and butter tablets.

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    There will always be monster phones. But those will be few. The bread and butter phones will not be able to compete with bread and butter tablets.
    what do you consider a bread and butter phone? tablet? I was comparing a monster phone to a monster tablet. A bread and butter tablet would be like a nook or kindle and mid-range phones can compete with those.

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    I also forgot to mention the computing power. tablets are starting to be monsters and pulling ahead of phones. even more need to have true tablet apps that take advantage of this.

    IMO developers will always have 3 choices:
    1) make an app that will run on both
    2) make a phone app
    3) make a tablet app
    You have to write it anyways, might as well write it against an API that let you run on both. If the phone isn't up to par right now in processing speed, you can just turn the feature off on the phone until they do.

    We've done this with a few features, but as performance on phones increased dramatically, we just turned those back on now. Which, again, is the nice thing about targeting a single API, and the reasons Android devs are salivating at ICS. You just flip a switch.

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    They may be losing the name soon, Hasbro is suing Asus:

    http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/22/t...t-now-prefera/

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    Didnt click on the link, but is it about the Transformers ?

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    yup.

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    Good. That'll teach 'em for ing around with the release. I would've bought one just to cause I wanted a new toy.

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    http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/02/a...me-bootloader/

    Man, talk about not being able to catch a break. After launching what was largely considered the first Android tablet worth drooling over at AsiaD, ASUS has ran into every conceivable issue in the months since. Delays, on-again / off-again claims about GPS and now, a locked bootloader that has the vocal Android modding community all sorts of angry. The primary issue here is that the Prime is a WiFi-only device, which leaves little room for ASUS to justify its decision to thwart the use of uncertified ROMs. Of course, HTC has faced similar pressures in the past, and its decision to cut loose of the locked bootloader chains won it universal praise from a universal audience. Time for ASUS to step up and do likewise?

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    I was about to post this. If I was still considering this tablet, this would've been the nail in the coffin. ASUS really dropped the ball on this one.

    On another note, I was watching TV a couple of days ago, and I saw a cartoon show called 'Transformers Prime'. No wonder their ass is getting sued

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    Asus Promises Transformer Prime ICS Update, Unlocked Bootloader

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2398318,00.asp

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    Asus Promises Transformer Prime ICS Update, Unlocked Bootloader

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2398318,00.asp
    hah, awesome. have they still disowned the gps?

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    hah, awesome. have they still disowned the gps?
    Yup. Now they claim it isn't meant to be a 'premium' GPS - whatever the that means.

    My local Computer Chain called me saying my preorder is available for pick-up. Too late, I bought a watch .

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    The IdeaPAd S2 10" from CES:

    http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/08/l...ation-gang-pa/

    Looks pretty awesome.

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    Asus shat the bed with this one

    Which is suprising as they've been pretty top notch over the years (my laptop came with 2 year standard warranty, door-2-door service).

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