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whats the nuggets roster situation atm without kmart, jrsmith?...would they do a sign n trade for rj and pieces for nene?
If the Spurs were going to take over a big salary I'd much rather have Varejao anyways. Tim's not going to effectively guard the 4 anymore, so I'd rather get a PF to play with him if the team is going le or bust.
whats the nuggets roster situation atm without kmart, jrsmith?...would they do a sign n trade for rj and pieces for nene?
Not a chance.
Maybe it's not fair, but Kaman never seemed like a high b-ball IQ king of player.
Wasn't he the guy who didn't foul Parker at the end of a game in 05 because he thought Parker was a great free throw shooter? If I'm wrong, my apologies.
Either way, he doesn't seem like the brightest australopithecus around, and he would be one of those guys with trouble picking up the system in a short camp and no practice time during the season. Add that to his injury troubles and the other shortcomings in his game . . . I'd dance for joy if there was a Kaman/RJ swap, but it would only be for junking RJ.
Kaman is one of the best low post players in the game (when healthy). I'd personally be ecstatic if we found a way to add him to the front-court. Not only would his length, girth, and underrated athletic ability help in the interior defensively, but part of the Spurs problem was finding efficient/easier ways to score in half-court sets when the defenses picked up their intensity (Duncan declining considerably being the reason; 4 down has no longer been an efficient option).
With the addition of Kaman, Spurs would be getting an efficient scoring threat in the low block that would ease the pressure off of Tony and Manu down the stretch in games.
In recent years, Manu and Tony have grown accustomed to expending every ounce of energy on the offensive end to keep the Spurs' offense compe ively competent. You know the drill, Pop would endlessly call for a Manu or Tony pick and roll only for it to be hedged 3-4 times-- leading to an inevitable contested jump shot late in the shot clock. That scenario happened too many times for the Spurs to be successful down the stretch in big games. For that reason, I'd be more than happy if Spurs found a way to add Kaman at the expense of a packaged core of R.J/Blair.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 12-07-2011 at 12:15 AM.
Kaman is an extremely underrated player, one of the best big men in the NBA. Adding him and getting rid of RJ/Blair would give us one of the best big men line ups in the NBA. I KNOW Splitter will be a solid player this year off the bench or starting, adding Kaman and getting rid of those two players improves the Spurs' defense and offense greatly.
I was under the impression that Kaman was sliding a bit, in terms of performance. However, you've sold me on the infinite possibilities.
Last year he dealt with an ankle injury that derailed him for half the season, which has somewhat hampered his trade value (along w/ his status as a one year rental for teams interested in trading for his talent).I was under the impression that Kaman was sliding a bit, in terms of performance. However, you've sold me on the infinite possibilities.
The year before (09'-10') when he was healthy, Kaman was voted to the All-Star team putting up 18 and 10 a night. People seem to forget that.
The other hidden little gem about Kaman is that he has an expiring contract. Seeing as how the Clippers are OUT of the Dwight Howard conversations, it would appear their priority would be resigning Deandre Jordan and acquiring a bonafide SF.
Now RC just has to convince the Clips that RJ is a legit sf.
I think it's pretty safe to say the Spurs WILL acquire Kaman, didn't know the Clips needed a SF either. After all, Sterling is their owner...
""While ignoring my suggestions and isolating me from decisions customarily reserved for general managers, the Clippers attempted to place the blame for the team's failures on me," Baylor said in the declaration. "During this same period, players Sam Cassell, Elton Brand and Corey Maggette complained to me that DONALD STERLING would bring women into the locker room after games, while the players were showering, and make comments such as, 'Look at those beautiful black bodies.' I brought this to Sterling's attention, but he continued to bring women into the locker room."
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/bal...urn=nba-304544
also gets to visit his favorite white boy (Luke) in L.A and Sterling gets . is probably begging the Spurs' FO to trade him to LA.
If the Spurs acquired Kaman then I would no longer be the most accurate prognosticating poster re: the Spurs in Spurstalk history.
sorry, but that's a le I don't foresee ever losing.
I would love the Spurs to add Kaman. I was reading on Hoopsworld which I know is total crap, but they were talking about the Clippers jumping at the chance to get manu. I have the feeling we are about to make a move. Why else would we be all over swingmen when we are pretty well stacked at the 2 and 3 but short of bigs and a backup point guard? Unless it is a smokescreen there has to be a deal in place. We have all assumed it would be Jefferson (mainly because he sucks, he is overpayed, and we hate him) but any chance it is manu that is on the way out? I love manu and I hope he wouldn't be moved. Atleast not just for Kaman. But yeah what if caron, vince, etc are to replace manu? not RJ
Show the Clips only film of his NJ days only.
Assuming Butler decides to sign with the Clippers, would they even want to take RJ's contract after that?
Trading Manu is PR suicide for the Spurs, not to mention the fact that you don't trade your best player for a guy that is maybe a good #2 option.
well, you'd just have to assume that they won't get Butler, won't get any other small forward, won't choose to trust in Aminu, and will want to add a lot of salary to their roster while believing that Jefferson would be a good piece.
Dont know if this has been posted yet, but the Clippers made an offer to New Orleans for the services of Chris Paul, which they are saying may have included Bledsoe, Aminu, Kaman, and 1st round draft pick...so big IF this happens we can waive bye bye to Kaman...
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/s...ris-paul-offer
So you're saying there's a chance?
do you guys think the noh will get rid of okafor?...NOH want are young pieces and picks...we can give them blair, draft picks, draft rights....
out - rj, bonner, blair, whoever. dice
in - kaman, okafor
agree about some points and he for sure isn't as underrated, as some posters think.
on the other hand, for example, he did play a pretty good Eurobasket alongside Dirk this summer. he was the tournaments #1 in RPG and #1 in double-doubles, #2 in BPG, #2 in FG%, #7 in PPG.
they don't show a PER or efficiency ranking (and I don't want to calculate it), but I'm pretty sure he would at least be top 5 in such a ranking.
if his BB IQ was that low, he wouldn't succeed like that in a FIBA tournament.
bottom line: he won't bring Spurs back to cantender status, but considering our assets a trade for him without give up on Tim, Tony, Manu would be a sensational move. but also considering the kind of move this would be, the Clippers will ask for some more than what was mentioned here. (Blair as the trow in talent) for example the 1st round pick 2012 (what will be a very deep draft) and maybe even another young player like Anderson or Leonard.
Spurs would be better off using the amnesty on RJ rather than give up Leonard/Anderson or a pick.
Besides, Kaman has missed 50 games 2 of the last 3 years. Doesn't seem the type to handle a compressed schedule well.
wow. this means you value the pick, or JA, or Leonard with about 20 million $.
(the additional costs of waiving RJ instead of trading him for Kaman)
btw. Holt isn't exactly Mikhail Prokhorov.
I wouldn't give up Leonard for Kaman. Kaman would help in trying to win a le, and he's a good player, but we probably only keep him this year, and giving up Kawhi seems like sacrificing one spot for another. I know he's unproven, but it seems like, at the very least he'll be a productive role player as a defense/hustle guy, but he'll help his team win on only a few shots a game, and he's likely to produce well above his salary, at least for the next 4 years.
I think the reality is that we're halfway between contention and rebuilding. Kawhi can probably help, even if it's just 20 minutes a game.
We do need a big, I'm just unsure of whether the benefit of Kaman(and Tiago playing less) is worth another season of being small on the wings, with a Joseph(FA PG)-Neal-Anderson Bench.
I say go for the le. Who knows if we will even have a sniff at it in the near future.
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