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    Is no one else just really shocked they amnestied RJ?
    Not really. Despite all the perfectly valid reasons of why it made fiscal sense to keep him, the Amnesty still had his name written all over it. They might as well have called it the "Jefferson Clause".

    Holt will take a hit in the wallet, but sometimes thats the way the cards fall. They gambled, and they lost. Time to move on to the next hand.

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    After using the amnesty clause on Richard Jefferson, don't be surprised if the Spurs sign Shane Battier. There's mutual interest.

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    Not really. Despite all the perfectly valid reasons of why it made fiscal sense to keep him, the Amnesty still had his name written all over it. They might as well have called it the "Jefferson Clause".

    Holt will take a hit in the wallet, but sometimes thats the way the cards fall. They gambled, and they lost. Time to move on to the next hand.
    I think it's pretty damn surprising for a FO to admit a mistake, swallow a large financial pill when they are claiming how tough it is to make money & after they spearhead the charge (per reports) on being able to use the amnesty in later years.

    Maybe it's just me, but I really didn't think this was a legit option this year.

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    Is no one else just really shocked they amnestied RJ? Anyways, with him gone, even with no other additions I feel the Spurs can be better off than they were last year (not necessarily with regular season wins, but better shot at a playoff series win). I feel this way because it will force Pop to play someone with energy and hustle at the SF spot and that is what they need. I also am hoping Tiago plays because they will be better defensively because of it. Those things right there will make them better, even if it's not nearly enough to truly contend.

    indeed its not like he was there even when he was on the floor

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    After using the amnesty clause on Richard Jefferson, don't be surprised if the Spurs sign Shane Battier. There's mutual interest.
    I'll still take shane battier. I don't care if people say he lost a step. If anything he can be a great mentor to kawhi.

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    Okay... in the corporate world, after a serious screw-up there is often a "lessons learned" meeting. It's where they discuss ways to keep bad things from happening again. A lot of times there is discussion about how the problem could have been recognized earlier, so that the eject button could have been pressed sooner.


    Exactly when did you know it was time to pull the plug on RJ, and why?

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    Richard Jefferson generating interest from several teams, source says. Most waiting for Jefferson to clear waivers before talking offer.

    http://twitter.com/ChrisMannixSI

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    he might be so bad that nobody bids on him because no one wants him at 3 years, no matter how cheap. Sad.

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    Richard Jefferson generating interest from several teams, source says. Most waiting for Jefferson to clear waivers before talking offer.

    http://twitter.com/ChrisMannixSI

    of course after he clears waivers for the right price hed be ok but for 40 million after sucking it up?!?! gl rj wherever u go

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    Son of a b*tch

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    If there is truly interest, one would think a team would bid and try to prevent the risk of losing him over a minimal investment (say 3M per year for 3 years).

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    If there is truly interest, one would think a team would bid and try to prevent the risk of losing him over a minimal investment (say 3M per year for 3 years).
    Teams over the cap will have to hope he clears waivers to have a shot.

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    Doubt the Spurs would have Amnestied RJ if they didn't have a good idea where he would land and for what price. I'm sure they know exactly how much they are going to save in this deal.

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    Teams over the cap will have to hope he clears waivers to have a shot.
    For sure, and I'm just assuming a team with cap space is probably interested enough to bid something.

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    Question : this is thinking out of the box, but what about getting Denver's chandler, I know he is stuck in China until March, but maybe it's worth the wait. I'd rather be patient than get dud. The absence of a veterna SF might increase leaonards and Anderson learning curve as well, they have to swim or else sink so to speak. Afterall I don't see a new veteran making an impact in the 1st 3 months anyway.

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    For sure, and I'm just assuming a team with cap space is probably interested enough to bid something.
    Yep, any team waiting for him to clear waivers doesn't have cap space. A team with cap space and interest would at least make a bid equivalent to the vet minimum.

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    Surprising news. Holt appears to be really going all in again, perhaps they still believe they have a chance at a championship run.

    That said, I don't like the Butler link, no fan at all, not a good fit, did his knee last season, it's a recipe for disaster. Hope it's a smokescreen. What the Spurs need much more is another competent big, but I guess their view is that such a big would not be available in free agency, only through trade. Hopefully they have a deal for Dice's contract and don't mind spending a bit more.

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    So does Jefferson go down as the all-time worst Spur? $54 million for two years for a guy so bad that he was benched in the closing games of the playoffs each year? I used to think it was ridiculous what they paid Charles Smith, but it's nothing compared to Jefferson. By failure Charles Smith I mean the 90s Charles Smith who got blocked four times at the rim vs Chicago, not the badass perimeter guy who lit Jordan up on TNT in 2002.

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    So does Jefferson go down as the all-time worst Spur? $54 million for two years for a guy so bad that he was benched in the closing games of the playoffs each year? I used to think it was ridiculous what they paid Charles Smith, but it's nothing compared to Jefferson. By failure Charles Smith I mean the 90s Charles Smith who got blocked four times at the rim vs Chicago, not the badass perimeter guy who lit Jordan up on TNT in 2002.
    I don't think so.

    The money isn't his fault, has nothing to do with him. He's a decent player, mid level at best but could contribute on some teams.

    I would say it might be the worst investment in a player.

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    Well Richard Jefferson actually made me almost miss Michael Finley. ALMOST.

    That's how bad RJ was.

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    So does Jefferson go down as the all-time worst Spur? $54 million for two years for a guy so bad that he was benched in the closing games of the playoffs each year? I used to think it was ridiculous what they paid Charles Smith, but it's nothing compared to Jefferson. By failure Charles Smith I mean the 90s Charles Smith who got blocked four times at the rim vs Chicago, not the badass perimeter guy who lit Jordan up on TNT in 2002.
    Probably as far as giving him chances, talent/return ratio and pay. There's been worse, like Nick Van Exel, but he didn't last anywhere near as much or paid as much.

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    RJ is like Bonner in his own special category in that he got another deal after he was such an established failure.

    Charles Smith was never given a second contract, in fact I think they might have just cut his last year and paid him to go away. I believe Smith also swore that he'd be back in the NBA and make the Spurs regret it.

    Other failures never had their second contractual chance. Carl Herrera, Hedo, Rasho, Mason, and so on.

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    So does Jefferson go down as the all-time worst Spur? $54 million for two years for a guy so bad that he was benched in the closing games of the playoffs each year? I used to think it was ridiculous what they paid Charles Smith, but it's nothing compared to Jefferson. By failure Charles Smith I mean the 90s Charles Smith who got blocked four times at the rim vs Chicago, not the badass perimeter guy who lit Jordan up on TNT in 2002.
    I dunno, but it's a good question. The only thing that saves RJ is that he's not a bad player. I just believe he was miscast onto a team, whose style didn't fit his skills. Combine that with the fact that he has a horrendous contract, this lead to unreasonable expectations of him. Now don't get me wrong. The boy doesn't have much heart and is somewhat of a mental midget, so that's his fault. However, the NBA is filled with overpaid, underachievers who have no heart. It's just unlike the Spurs to acquire them.

    For the record, Charles Smith was on the decline when he arrived in S.A. He didn't make the ridiculous money that RJ made, but he was often disappeared and played like he had rigor mortis most times - like RJ.

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    Probably as far as giving him chances, talent/return ratio and pay. There's been worse, like Nick Van Exel, but he didn't last anywhere near as much or paid as much.
    Van Exel and Jefferson were pretty comparable I thought. Both were spectacular failures in their roles and were so bad they couldn't see floor time when the games really mattered. At least Van Exel had a valid reason with his knees being shot. I guess if we go strictly by on the floor performance no one will ever take Alfrederick the Great's crown though.

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    Smith did have some legit excuse: his knees and ankles were a wreck. Almost voided the trade, Spurs kept Smith out of the first half of his debut game so that they could void the trade before they got extra considerations from the Knicks, iirc.

    I remember he had ankle surgery after the playoff loss to Utah.

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