When some of us suggested...

[Yonivore]

...Fast and Furious was designed to create a pretext for more gun control, Obama ass-kissers ridiculed the idea.



Do ents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations

ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.

On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF's Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:

"Bill - can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks."

In another world, this writer would be receiving a Pulitzer and Fast and Furious would be seen for what it is, one of the worst scandals in American history.

This is a perfect example of how the media picks and chooses winners.

If this were not an administration to which they have obviously pledged some fealty, the drumbeat of impeachment and/or resignation would be deafening.

Over 300 murders -- one of an American law enforcement officer -- have been committed with guns the cartels obtained through Fast and Furious.

And, yet, Eric Holder is still employed and the Obama administration continues to act as if this were no big deal.

[George Gervin's Afro]

...Fast and Furious was designed to create a pretext for more gun control, Obama ass-kissers ridiculed the idea.



Do ents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations


In another world, this writer would be receiving a Pulitzer and Fast and Furious would be seen for what it is, one of the worst scandals in American history.

This is a perfect example of how the media picks and chooses winners.

If this were not an administration to which they have obviously pledged some fealty, the drumbeat of impeachment and/or resignation would be deafening.

Over 300 murders -- one of an American law enforcement officer -- have been committed with guns the cartels obtained through Fast and Furious.

And, yet, Eric Holder is still employed and the Obama administration continues to act as if this were no big deal.

So, what legislation came because of this conspiracy?

[Yonivore]

So, what legislation came because of this conspiracy?

The fraud was discovered.

Why is the enactment of legislation your barometer for whether or not this qualifies as a scandal?

I'd think intentionally allowing guns to walk into a crime-infested country, where they were then used to murder hundreds, would be a bright line even a Chris Matthews tingle wouldn't survive.

[JoeChalupa]

yeah, there were virtually no murders by the cartels with guns before this scandal. None at all.

[Yonivore]

yeah, there were virtually no murders caused by guns before this scandal.

Not by guns intentionally supplied the U.S. Government.

[TeyshaBlue]

I dont see a demand letter as gun control. Its responsible tracking of a particular class of weapons. However, thr Fast and Furious program was/is an ill conceived disaster. The architects should be looking for jobs IMO.

[JoeChalupa]

Not by guns intentionally supplied the U.S. Government.

Point taken, but it isn't like they couldn't acquire the guns anyhow.

[Yonivore]

Point taken, but it isn't like they couldn't acquire the guns anyhow.

I think you're missing the point, Joe. We're not talking about the Cartels' capabilities, methods, or resources. We're talking about the United States government being complicit in over 300 murders.

[Yonivore]

I dont see a demand letter as gun control. Its responsible tracking of a particular class of weapons. However, thr Fast and Furious program was/is an ill conceived disaster. The architects should be looking for jobs IMO.

The Demand Letter required more reporting of certain gun sales -- that equals more gun control.

And, it wasn't "an ill-conceived disaster." The gun walking was intentional.

[JoeChalupa]

I think you're missing the point, Joe. We're not talking about the Cartels' capabilities, methods, or resources. We're talking about the United States government being complicit in over 300 murders.

So then you are saying a family should be able to charge a Gun Shop owner as complicit in murders too?

[johnsmith]

So then you are saying a family should be able to charge a Gun Shop owner as complicit in murders too?

So then you are saying that you are ok with the United States Government supplying weapons to drug cartels in Mexico?

[johnsmith]

I know some of these guys are your cousins Joe, but come on.

[Winehole23]

tacky, john

[johnsmith]

tacky, john

Too much?

[Winehole23]

unless you're willing to lay out how the bias works in this case

[johnsmith]

noted.

[Winehole23]

how does being Mexican prejudice one for/against the operation?

If anything, i'd think being Mexican, or having Mexican relatives, would predispose one against the op.

[Winehole23]

also, i'm pretty sure there's no direct link b/w having Mexican relatives and being for/against gun control

[johnsmith]

Ok, ignore the post where I referenced Joe's cousins.

[johnsmith]

Now back on topic.

[johnsmith]

I said noted......geez.

[johnsmith]

I feel like I got "virtually scolded" by Winehole.

[CosmicCowboy]

So then you are saying a family should be able to charge a Gun Shop owner as complicit in murders too?

Straw man

However, speaking of straw, a straw purchaser that provided a firearm to a criminal who commits a murder with it could definitely be charged as an accessory to that murder.

[Winehole23]

that's right, I'm the scold

[Yonivore]

So then you are saying a family should be able to charge a Gun Shop owner as complicit in murders too?

You don't know much about the Fast and Furious scandal, do you?

The Gun Shop owners were strong-armed, by the government, in participating and, given assurances the weapons would not be taken across the border. Some of them complained about being involved, at all, but it fell on deaf ears at Holder's Justice Department.