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If I give you a gun, knowing your going to murder someone with it, I'm guilty of something.
So you advocate jumping to conclusions?
That would do nothing for the pipeline of guns going from the US government through the Mexican military to the cartels. I think that's probably a bigger problem than Fast and Specious.
If I give you a gun, knowing your going to murder someone with it, I'm guilty of something.
What's "damfoolishness" about anything I've posted, so far?
the usual: circularity, cherry picking, distortion, hairsplitting, gross political bias
These aren't countries and, to be fair, if the U.S. Government articulated a rationale for why they would deliberately arm Mexican Drug Cartels, you'd have at least the basis for a comparison.
How do you know?
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Accessory to murder, at the very least.
If the gun was illegally obtained or if the seller did not do due diligence and follow the law, during the purchase, absolutely.
...pseudo-legalisms, strawman arguments, broken syllogisms
Does that include asking the purchaser if the gun will be used for murderin'?
Lol @ something.
That's quite the backtrack from murdering innocents.
Murdered Mexicans, illegal straw man purchases, ignoring trafficking of illegally purchased weapons across international borders, intimidating legitimate gun dealers into participating in their schemes, and a trove of memos and e-mails pointing to two things;
1) The ATF deliberately allowed weapons to cross the border into Mexico without making any attempt to control their destinations, track their transit, or prevent their illegal use; and,
2) The ATF proposed using the straw man purchases they orchestrated -- the resulting crimes in Mexico -- as a pretext for ins uting more controls on the sale of such weapons.
...oh, and moving the goal posts
So you're saying they should be tried in Mexico?
I'm not backtracking from anything.
The U. S. Government appears to have been a knowing accessory to the murder of hundreds of Mexicans and at least one U. S. Law Enforcement Officer.
They facilitated the Straw Man Purchases.
They turned their backs as the weapons went to Mexico.
They didn't stop the program until the U. S. Peace Officer was killed and it turned out to have been committed with a gun they allowed to cross the border and Fast and Furious was revealed to the public.
Those aren't the elements of murder, counselor.
I haven't moved anything.
May I add prevarication to the list?
You're the one playing defense attorney.
Are you suggesting the U. S. Government's actions aren't a crime and that they didn't result in the deaths of hundreds of Mexicans?
If so, just say it.
Sure, if you can demonstrate the lie.
You only wish. Me attacking your inanity is not a defense of anything.
I never denied people died, but your conclusion that F&F is a criminal scheme start to finish appears not to be well supported.
Then what was the purpose of allowing guns to walk, unabated, into Mexico, in the hands of drug cartels that have, for years, been engaged in one of the bloodiest assaults on their own people anywhere in the world?
It's a simple question.
Why?
Maybe the Govt thought those guns were going to be used for a lawful purpose? You know, like the reasons people say they need assault rifles.
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