Reply With Quote
Apparently beyond them too. That's why some of us suspect a different motive for the operation.
dunno.
the stated aim, if memory serves, was to learn something about the flow of illegal arms. how they expected to do that without tracking the guns is a bit beyond me.
Apparently beyond them too. That's why some of us suspect a different motive for the operation.
saying you haven't moved the goal posts is not a straight tale. in fairness, you do it so often maybe you don't notice.
Yoni decided to bring the weak sauce again?
Yoni, are you still a cracker for Cain?
And, I think a distinction needs to be made here.
I never claimed Fast and Furious was a "criminal scheme start to finish." It is my assertion the U. S. Government engaged in/facilitated/encouraged criminal activity (Straw man purchases), abdicated their responsibility to prevent the illegally purchased guns to fall into criminal hands and cross the international border, and were indifferent to the murders committed with those weapons -- even though they should have known that's exactly for what they would be used.
Why?
Don't you want to know why? Are you so incurious simply because it would mean agreeing with me?
I've not changed my assertion in this thread once.
You lied in your last post saying I had claimed Fast and Furious was a criminal scheme from beginning to end. I did no such thing.
Yoni, did you know the government does the same thing with money laundering?
U.S. Agents Launder Mexican Profits of Drug Cartels
like what?
How should they have known that?
Yoni is supremely incurious when it comes to investigating those for whom he leads cheers.Are you so incurious simply because it would mean agreeing with me?
So if the DEA sells a drug to a buyer (with the thought of following the purchaser to see where they sell it) and someone over doses on these drugs, is the US Govt guilty of murder? Is this what Yoni is trying to sell?
And, we've come full circle...
Do ents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF’s Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:
“Bill – can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks.”
so these guys were trying to influence gun laws? an email?ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF’s Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:
You do realize the timing s on your conspiracy theory, don't you?
I think you have it backwards. DEA works bottom up with snitches to catch the wholesaler. They don't sell drugs to a dealer to see who the users are.
Your analogy fails because they made no attempt to follow the purchased guns.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...4&postcount=27This was a complete Cartel - U. S. government operation.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...8&postcount=46the U. S. Government is complicit in the murder of hundreds of Mexican citizens and a U. S. Law Enforcement Officer to create the pretext for ins uting a minor gun policy
terrorism! (post#57)The strawman purchases that were then intentionally allowed to be carried across an international border, without notifying the receiving government, where they were then used to murder more than 300 people, could almost be construed as an act of war on Mexico.
post #68What's the Obama administration's excuse for the innocents murdered in Mexico?
there's some plausible deniability, but the rhetorical thrust is clear...
The article quotes an e-mail, between two individuals familiar with Fast and Furious, that was among the do ents dumped by Holder last Friday. If they knew they were complicit in facilitating the straw purchases now being proposed to be used as a pretext for the regulation, I'd say that pretty damning evidence.
Look, I'm inclined to believe the nefarious motives of this administration...I think Obama is a s bag that dragged a bunch of other s bags to Washington with him, including Eric Holder. You're not. We'll see how it plays out but, I'm not going to beat this dead horse or do the investigation for you.
I think it only gets worse for them, as time goes by and I hope Sheryl Atkisson and Representative Issa stay on their asses. It would be nice to see the rest of the media show as much interest in this as they Herman Cain's alleged infidelities...
If you're curious, you'll satisfy yourself. If not, I can't make you.
i forgot this all began under GWB, so naturally it couldn't have been criminal at the onset. i regret the oversight.
Those are your words and that's all I've ever claimed.
Y'all jumped all over me when I characterized Teysha Blue's "ill-conceived disaster" comment as minimizing the breadth of this scandal and now you deign to characterize my words as implying or suggesting anything?
I've never said the U. S. Government directly murdered anyone.
Unsupervised gun walking -- the act that led to F&F guns showing up at crime scenes -- did not begin during the Bush administration.
i may have agreed with you too quickly. i disbelieve the US was complicit in murder. that the ATF ran guns is uncontroversially true.Those are your words and that's all I've ever claimed.
so it was supervised gun walking, SO MUCH BETTER with that split hair!
So, can I call you a liar?
And, would you agree if I was more precise and said, the U. S. Government was knowingly complicit in criminal acts [straw man purchases and gun running by Mexican drug cartels] that resulted in the murder of more than 300 Mexican citizens?
Do you want to know why they did it?
I've been more precise and I'm not claiming they were complicit in the murders. What's your point?
Are you saying they weren't complicit in the straw purchase crimes?
They set them up.
Are you suggesting they weren't complicit in the crimes violated by the drug cartels carrying the illegally purchased weapons across the international border with Mexico?
They turned their backs.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
