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    I've been more precise and I'm not claiming they were complicit in the murders. What's your point?

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    ... would you agree if I was more precise and said, the U. S. Government was knowingly complicit in criminal acts [straw man purchases and gun running by Mexican drug cartels] that resulted in the murder of more than 300 Mexican citizens?
    That's more precise, and far more plausible. I'd say whether they were criminal acts is a question for a grand jury. I'm far less sure about the legalities of the situation than you seem to be.
    Do you want to know why they did it?
    I have no reason to assume, and you have not demonstrated, that the DOJ is lying about the reasons for the operation. Good intentions and massive incompetence have been known to walk hand in hand.

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    I assume massive incompetence, you assume crime. what an outrage.

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    I'm not claiming they were complicit in the murders.
    Fine.

    Is it alright with you that the U. S. Government is complicit in the murder of hundreds of Mexican citizens and a U. S. Law Enforcement Officer to create the pretext for ins uting a minor gun policy?

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    perhaps Yoni misspoke. he did admit to verbal imprecision, if i read that right.

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    perhaps Yoni misspoke. he did admit to verbal imprecision, if i read that right.
    He admits to lying as well.

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    "i've been more precise.."

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    i don't think yoni keeps track of what he says. he'll throw anything on the wall and does.
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    He admits to lying as well.
    knowingly? that would surprise me.

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    Yoni never admits anything, even with it staring him in the face.

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    That's more precise, and far more plausible. I'd say whether they were criminal acts is a question for a grand jury. I'm far less sure about the legalities of the situation than you seem to be.
    Straw purchases of guns are a crime. The ATF has admitted to being involved in facilitating the straw purchase of guns by the Mexican drug cartels.

    Transporting illegally purchased guns across the international border with Mexico is a crime. The ATF has admitted to allowing the Mexican drug cartel straw purchases to convey illegally purchased weapons across the international border with Mexico...after first denying they did so.

    I have no reason to assume, and you have not demonstrated, that the DOJ is lying about the reasons for the operation. Good intentions and massive incompetence have been known to walk hand in hand.
    They've yet to give a reason for allowing guns to walk across the border without even attempting to track them.

    I would think a curious citizen would want to know why they would do that.

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    knowingly? that would surprise me.
    He fessed up to using the TRO screen name and plagiarism, for example.

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    Never shifts the goal posts. Never misrepresents, never begs a question. Is not biased. Never cops to a mistake.

    dude is practically inhuman

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    He fessed up to using the TRO screen name and plagiarism, for example.
    ah

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    Yoni never admits anything, even with it staring him in the face.
    What's to admit here?

    If you can claim to have agreed with me too soon in saying the complicity was undeniable, I should be allowed a certain amount of imprecision -- particularly since I was debating with the mistaken understanding that we were in agreement over the complicity of the U. S. Government in this scandal.

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    The ATF has admitted to allowing the Mexican drug cartel straw purchases to convey illegally purchased weapons across the international border with Mexico...after first denying they did so.
    wonder why they would admit a crime, but there you have it.


    QED

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    What's to admit here?

    If you can claim to have agreed with me too soon in saying the complicity was undeniable, I should be allowed a certain amount of imprecision -- particularly since I was debating with the mistaken understanding that we were in agreement over the complicity of the U. S. Government in this scandal.
    oh it's my fault you misspoke. i see....

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    had i disagreed, you would have been more precise

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    had i disagreed, you would have been more precise
    When you did, I was.

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    What's to admit here?
    you denied you ever said the US was complicit in the murder of 300 innocent Mexicans, when in fact that's exactly what you said. and now you blame me for saying it.

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    So, who have you been badgering in my absence, Whine ?

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    When you did, I was.
    are you unable to say what you mean unless someone disagrees?

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    So, who have you been badgering in my absence, Whine ?
    RG and FuzzyLumpkins, lately.

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    cheguevara, some

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