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    Have to love free agency for the spurs this year. It's kind of like Christmas morning and everyone gets toys but us.
    it's always like that.

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    So Battier is gone, Butler is gone, Prince is gone and AK is impossible. Howard wants to play with Nene, so no chance for us.

    My friends. We're gonna have to welcome back !

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    They don't need more firepower offensively (from the perimeter). They need more defense on the perimeter
    Agree with this. When the Spurs were playing defense and winning, nobody was complaining. What happened to make so many of us think that scoring a basket is worth more than preventing the other guy from scoring a basket?

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    if we aint gettin a big

    acquiring all these wing players will be another waste of a season

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    We should offer Mbah Moute now. See if Milwaukee matches

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    "Andrei Kirilenko, 4 years/21.4 million"

    Dude is getting paid 4 million euros per year after tax in CSKA which equates to smth like 11-12 mil $ per in the NBA. Dream the on
    Greece!

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    We should offer Mbah Moute now. See if Milwaukee matches
    With your money only tied up for three days, this seems like kind of a no-brainer. Wonder if the Spurs are gonna overthink it and wait until there's three days to go.

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    Yeah, if you are going to offer a contract to a restricted free agent, today is the day to do it. The league is partially paralyzed because of Stern's trade veto so deciding to match or not would be difficult to do in three days.

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    We should offer Mbah Moute now. See if Milwaukee matches
    That would be great. I also agree that the Spurs have enough offensive firepower However, I fear that Pop doesn't want a defensive-minded SF, who isn't a threat on offense. Just like during Bowen's tenure, they have enough offense to mitigate it. I believe they do now also. Besides Mbah Moute can always develop some offense.

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    Completely agree, SS. I don't know what's wrong with letting a guy lower the field goal percentage of the guy he's guarding, ask him get his points wherever he can get them and not have to run any plays for him. Do the Spurs really need a team with 15 guys with 20 foot range? How has that worked out so far?

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    I think the days of a "defensive stopper" SF with no offense are over. Ever since Timmy became human and unable to dominate inside offensively, consistently.

    We can't afford a defense-only player out there, as a starter anyway.

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    Completely agree, SS. I don't know what's wrong with letting a guy lower the field goal percentage of the guy he's guarding, ask him get his points wherever he can get them and not have to run any plays for him. Do the Spurs really need a team with 15 guys with 20 foot range? How has that worked out so far?
    Yeah. After all, the Spurs had as much offensive firepower last year, as they've had in years. Yet Memphis wiped the floor with them in the playoffs. At some point, you have to have the ability to get stops, control rebounds and impose your will onto an opponent - not the other way around.

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    Sixers re-signing Young should make Iguodala available. Just sayin.

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    While I agree, the offense would need to change somewhat. Bowen never shot below 37% and was as high at 44% from 3 in a season and was a big part of the offense every year. He also shot 200-300 threes in a season.

    While Mbah Moute doesn't have much of a sample size I don't see his 3 pt % even going above .200. When your SF gets wide open look after wide open look in the corner you're going to have to hit at some point. Unless they change the face of the offense which it might be time to do.

    His defense would be fantastic to have though.

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    I think the days of a "defensive stopper" SF with no offense are over. Ever since Timmy became human and unable to dominate inside offensively, consistently.

    We can't afford a defense-only player out there, as a starter anyway.
    *deep breath*

    I'm saying this as nicely as I can: You're telling me you wouldn't take 2004 Bruce Bowen on this team right now?

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    While I agree, the offense would need to change somewhat. Bowen never shot below 37% and was as high at 44% from 3 in a season and was a big part of the offense every year. He also shot 200-300 threes in a season.

    While Mbah Moute doesn't have much of a sample size I don't see his 3 pt % even going above .200. When your SF gets wide open look after wide open look in the corner you're going to have to hit at some point. Unless they change the face of the offense which it might be time to do.

    His defense would be fantastic to have though.
    I liked this kid coming out of UCLA a few years ago. He would be a good get for the Spurs. He's so light years ahead defensively of anyone else on the roster, Pop shouldn't worry about his offensive game. He can always develop a corner 3.

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    I agree that the Spurs should offer, I would just advise some to calm down on the Bruce Bowen comparisons.

    Although I think Mbah Moute and Kawhi are pretty similar players in a lot of areas.

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    then again, the last time the Spurs acquired a SF from the Bucks, it ended up biting them in the balls.

    just sayin.

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    I agree that the Spurs should offer, I would just advise some to calm down on the Bruce Bowen comparisons.
    Yeah, I feel a little guilty about taking his name in vain. I was referring more to the statement that the days of having a defensive stopper are over. If the Spurs could find a BB that can't shoot, he'd still be valuable. Bowen was that good.

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    Yeah, I feel a little guilty about taking his name in vain. I was referring more to the statement that the days of having a defensive stopper are over. If the Spurs could find a BB that can't shoot, he'd still be valuable. Bowen was that good.
    well Bowen could shoot the corner 3 too... I agree for the rest if we could find a defensive minded SF who can shoot occasional 3s that would be great but it won't happen so let's hope RJ is gone, Pop gives the starting spot to Leonard and FO goes after a big and we will all live with the result

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    Yeah, I feel a little guilty about taking his name in vain. I was referring more to the statement that the days of having a defensive stopper are over. If the Spurs could find a BB that can't shoot, he'd still be valuable. Bowen was that good.
    Imagine how good the Spurs would be defensively with a pair of long SFs, in both Mbah a Moute and Leonard?

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    Imagine how good the Spurs would be defensively with a pair of long SFs, in both Mbah a Moute and Leonard?
    Moute has the versatility to play the 4 as well, kind of similar mold that Derrick McKey was (type of player Pop was looking for throughout the 00's). But Moute comes without the outside shot of McKey obv.

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    That would be great. I also agree that the Spurs have enough offensive firepower However, I fear that Pop doesn't want a defensive-minded SF, who isn't a threat on offense. Just like during Bowen's tenure, they have enough offense to mitigate it. I believe they do now also. Besides Mbah Moute can always develop some offense.
    Not true, they did draft a defensive minded sf. Question, which is more important a defensive sf, or a legit starting big?

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    tribjazz Brian T. Smith

    UFA Andrei Kirilenko isn't close to signing with any #NBA teams right now and no franchise has taken lead during negotiations.

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    *deep breath*

    I'm saying this as nicely as I can: You're telling me you wouldn't take 2004 Bruce Bowen on this team right now?
    I don't think there is a defender available out there as good as 2004 Bowen.

    But my point is that Timmy was capable of taking over on the low block back then. Teams HAD to double him. A Bowen could sit on the corner and wait till he got his open shots.

    Today, Timmy is basically our center, can't take over consistently, and our PF will likely be an even older McDyess who couldn't score much last year either...

    So, nobody down low demands a double team anymore. A Bowen type would not even get his open 3-4 corner shots a game, and certainly not when the game is on the line. Teams will man up, sit on the shooters, and take their chances with Timmy's bad knees not able to carry the Spurs for an entire game and much less series.

    That's just my view on it. I agree we need defense, and it has to be our calling card. But we need the whole team to play good team defense and have balance on offense with an aging Duncan.

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