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yup instead of digging himself a hole then climbing out ala tebow romo jumps out to what seems an insurmountable lead then runs out of gas
yup instead of digging himself a hole then climbing out ala tebow romo jumps out to what seems an insurmountable lead then runs out of gas
Hey s...keep my name out of your mouth you re ed eater.
romo didn't get worked for two late tds, but that missed throw was killer.
Romo has never had an elite defense as the starter. This defense has never been able to protect leads Romo and the offense.
Romo has never had an elite running back (until maybe this year). Demarco M is the best runner has has ever had an it showed this year.
Tim Tebow will not accomplish anything close to Romo. He has a defense that can hold the score down against all those great AFC West teams. A division that is actually even worse that the AFC South and NFC East this year.
Romo still has believers
And what is that exactly?
Tebow's secondary is way less turrible.
Still trying to figure out what Romo has accomplished in the NFL.
I agree though, he's never had a good defense.
He ed Jessica Simpson. He wouldn't have done that working at Target.
tbh Callahan did nail it on the head though.Romo still has believers
the Cowboys ever since the Parcells era are known to have defenses that put up good statistical numbers but can never get a stop when they need to. That's why I refuse to think this team will ever seriously contend for a superbowl until they overhaul their defense.
This is the kind of defense that never wins in the playoffs. I'll take a team like the Steelers or Packers who might give up a lot of meaningless yards during a game but you know they'll get a stop when they have to instead of the gimmicky team who doesn't give up as many because of sacks and a ball control offense
Where can I start- Let's see
1) Throw a spiral pass for more than 30 yards for one thing.
2)Play in the Pro Bowl three or four times in his career (I know that the Pro Bowl is not the be all and end all).
3) Pass for 3000-4000 yards every year he has plays a full season.
Nothing against Tebow, but running from the quarterback position in the NFL on a regular basis will not allow for a long career. Tebow is a great person, but is lack of throwing ability will catch up to him eventually.
Seriously, the shortcomings of Dallas (little success in the playoffs) while Romo has been the starter go way beyond him.
Look at the running backs he's had until this year. Julius Jones, Marion Barber, Felix Jones - Just guys. The offense has alway been pass happy and has not been able to grind it out except for maybe 2007 when Barber was an above average back before cashing in with the big check and essentially quiting.
Nobody seems to remember that in 2007 when Dallas had a really good regular season and HFA throughout the playoffs, Terrell Owens had a significant injury just before the playoffs ( a high ankle sprain) where he was nowhere near 100% in the NY Giants playoff game. Remember Terry Glenns knees gave out that year (the guy was a great 2nd receiver) and Patrick Crayton was the number 2 and dropped a sure TD pass in the second half of the Giants playoff game.
Dallas has been trying (and mostly failing) with regards to putting a high quality defense on the field. Bill Parcells put in a 3-4 defense and was unable to get enough players in place at one time to shut teams down when it mattered in the fourth quarter. The D under Wade Phillips had a bit more talent but the same tendency to bend and eventually break late in games. Parcells in particular failed to draft enough quality players by blowing a number of 1st 2nd and 3rd round picks on guys from 2003 to 2006 who could not play. Every Offensive Lineman Parcells drafted for Dallas COULD NOT PLAY IN THE NFL. Just remember George Young built those great Giants teams of the late 80s early 90s, not Bill Parcells. Bill Parcells thought Drew Bledsoe was the answer at QB in 2005 and thought A. Rodgers was not worth using the 20th pick in the draft that year (he thought the great Marcus Spears would be a better NFL player). Just imagine, Aaron Rogers and Demarcus Ware in the same draft. WOW!
Dallas has generally had to outscore opponents the last 5-6 six years and it eventually does not work. The defense has to get stops when it counts and that just does not happen with any regularity. We would be looking at a 10-3 or 9-4 record right now if the defense could play consistently well. The new D-Coordinator is trying to work with a group very limited in overall talent. When you have only 1-2 decent DLinemen (Hatcher and Ratliff), 2 quality linebackers (Ware and Lee) and maybe two decent corners (Jenkins-when healthy and Scandrick) and average to below average safetys, that is a recipe for trouble. 34 points should have been enough this week. This defense has spit the bit five or six times this year. You have to have more than six or seven high quality players on defense to succeed. Terrance Newman is not very good, and Allen Ball should be in the Arena League right now. Outside of Ware and Lee, there are no playmakers on that side of the ball. Jenkins has been on the shelf for about half the time. He can play well when healthy.
Romo is not perfect by any stretch, but he's done some really good things this year after being out most of last year. He is not a top five quarterback, but he is a top ten QB in my opinion right now and most of the past five years.
Last edited by Harry Callahan; 12-14-2011 at 12:02 AM.
All very important things I see.
either way:
1)
2) This is the first season he's got meaningful amount of time as a starter and he's already four in QB voting, he will probably be there at the end of the seaon having been on the bench for the first 5 games.
3) He has never played a full season so you don't know that. But even if doesn't, who cares about how many yds he throws for if his teams wins. That's like saying Ducan sucks 'cause he never averaged 30 pts per game like Iverson did.
I get tired of people blasting Romo for all of the Cowboys shortcomings. When the threadstarter insinuates that Tony Romo if the complete polar opposite of Tim Tebow and it is meant in a bad way, I want to provide a little balance and perspective.
Vince Young's teams won a lot of games for awhile, he used his legs alot initially but he never could get over the hump in the end. I see a similar situation with Tebow - his running ability is great but you can only last so long doing that. It's great that his team is winning a lot games in a very poor division, but Tebow is going to have to improve in a lot of ways as a QB to have a long and productive career as a QB. He has a lot of intangibles, but there has to be more than that at some point in the near future. I don't think John Elway (his boss) is totally sold on Tebow as a player right now.
I like Tebow, and I'm happy that he's doing well because he seems like a nice kid. But it's probably just a matter of time until teams stop running prevent defense and his winning streak becomes a distant memory. I hope I'm wrong, but it's probably what will happen.
What makes you want to throw a bottle through your tv screen about Romo is also what makes him great. They're going to have to unleash him at some point.
Would you rather have Tebow or Romo as your starting QB?
What's the status of the VY krew on Tebow's nuts? Are they latched on firmly? Lots of parallels between the two.
Tebow on this cowboys team would fail miserably. A large part of any success Dallas has is inherently tied to Romos productivity. He's averaged about 300 yards/game for his career, his TD/TO ratio is good, he hast the fifth highest passer rating in the NFL. I don't understand what the expectation is.
I hear ya bro, but Romo is still a mentally weak choker. That Cowboy team is (and has been) STACKED with talent on the offensive side of the ball for years now. On defense they haven't been playmakers--you're right on that--but Romo hasn't picked up the slack or done them any favors either.
He's having a great statistical year so far, but he's also single-handedly given away 2 games (NYJ, DET). The Cowboys would be comfortably in the driver's seat of the NFC East had he used his brain.
I believe this is his 6th year as a starter in the league, and he's still making rookie mistakes. It's a pretty big indictment on him, b/c the coach's lack of trust in him has cost the Cowboys 2 more games (NE and AZ)--when more aggressive play-calling was needed.
Yes his defense is bad, but look at New England's...they're complete dog but Brady picks up the slack.
What other offense has/had weapons as good as these?
Murray/Jones
Witten
Austin
Dez
Robinson
As a whole, those weapons are as good as any team. I know Austin was out for awhile, but the Cowboys also had a good record while he was gone.
The point is that Romo just isn't a big-game QB. He's beaten 1 team that's currently over .500 I think (Niners in OT), and his playoff games are marred with failure. His only win came against the Eagles when I believe he had a top 3 defense and running game--but then lost next week by 30 points.
He's the Philip Rivers of the NFC
I don't think Romo necessarily makes rookie mistakes, it's more that he makes risky throws at inopportune times. That's been his biggest fault, and it's not something that's going to go away. It's what makes him a better than average QB and what pulls in the most criticism. Brett Favre made a career out of that style, and so will Romo.
The personnel he has on offense is also overstated. He has a rookie offensive line that has just started to improve its play over the last couple of weeks, but continues to allow quite a bit of pressure, bad snaps, etc. The receiving core? How well did Austin produce when Romo went down last year? Robinson? He was cut, and average at best before that. Dez has a lot of natural ability, but consistently makes errors on his routes.
Maybe he's not an elite QB, but he's a lot better than people give him credit for and blaming Romo for singularly losing games is probably a poor interpretation of what happens over the course of a football game.
He ABSOLUTELY lost them the Detroit and NYJ games. Fumbling on the goal-line and throwing quite possibly the dumbest interception in NFL history to end the game (wtf are you throwing in Revis's direction for in the first place, let alone right at him?). The Detroit game was epic Romo. Up 27-3 and throwing 2 pick-sixes, then setting them up at the end of the game w/ another mind-numbingly stupid pick. You're right, I'm not even sure rookies would make those mistakes.
You can call his talent and o-line overrated or inexperienced, but after 6 years when are people gonna realize the dude just ain't a winner? Like Philip Rivers, he's got great skill and can make a ton of throws, but they're both chokers.
If he can't get them to the playoffs this year then he needs to be involved in the overhaul, imo. They lucked out with the Eagles ting the bed, the Giants being their usual schizo selves, and the Skins sucking . The division has been there for the taking. Now they finish with @TB, PHI, and @NYG--all winnable games with the team they have.
Actually he has plenty of times. I can think of a ton of games in the Romo era where the defense has played like dog and Tony has won them the game. On the flip side, I can't think of any vice versa scenarios. Every time Tony Romo has a bad game, they always lose. The defense never seems to bail him out.
The Jets game really wasn't all him tbh even though everyone makes it out to be. When the Boys were up 24-10, the Jets scored 1 TD with Sanchez looking like Montana with three of our DBs out and the other was off a blocked punt. The Detroit game was all on him which is why he's not an elite QB.
Well Brady>>>>>>>Romo, not arguing that. Still saying Romo is a top 10 QB in the league though and he is not the main issue with this team.
The 09 defense was the best defense he ever had but i can still remember a few games that season alone where they were unable to protect leads/get a stop when it mattered
i can live with that
Tony has lost 2 games for us this season, NYJ and DET. He only plays on one side of the ball.
The other games have been poor defense and coaching decisions. JG is not the right guy to coach this team.
I think you're letting Garrett of the hook a bit here too. He has a horrible tendency to forget even thinking about running the ball or pretending to be balanced, setting Romo up to fail.
He still ed them over hardcore with his careless fumble on the goal-line, then that inexplicable pick to Revis. I know he was trying to make a play on the scramble, but how many times can we defend the guy for "taking risks" or "trying to make a play" when it backfires in the clutch.
I'm not saying Romo is the main problem, I'm just saying he's not the answer at QB. Every time it looks like he's turned the corner, he does something stupid again.Well Brady>>>>>>>Romo, not arguing that. Still saying Romo is a top 10 QB in the league though and he is not the main issue with this team.
In reality, with as bad as the defense has supposedly been, they're only the OBVIOUS culprit in one game:
NYJ: I think the blame falls to Romo for the stupid turnovers, but if somebody wants to give half the blame to special teams, so be it.
DET: Unequivocally Romo.
NE: Coaching.
PHI: The entire team/coaching staff sucked. 34-7.
AZ: Coaching
NYG: Defense
In the two "coaching" losses it's important to ask why JG would be hesitant to have the ball in a Top-10 QB's hands at the end, when more aggressive play-calling could've won them the games (Better field position in AZ, going for TD's against NE)? Was he worried Tony would do something stupid?
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