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    It's an expensive RC plane with a boatload of electronics, 90% of which are probably made in china to begin with. I don't see what the hoopla is all about, frankly. If you told me it carries nuclear warheads, then we would have a problem. Otherwise, there's little novel about it.
    They probably will dig through our comm equipment on the drone... not sure how much of it involves crypto, but I"m sure some of it does. That's slight cause for concern, but I don't think they'll be able to glean anything too vital.

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    That one must be for the Chinese who are getting ready to establish a naval port at Seyc es.

    China says mulling Seyc es naval hosting offer

    Merry Christmas to all our enemies! Drones all around.
    Did you just call China our enemy?

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    They probably will dig through our comm equipment on the drone... not sure how much of it involves crypto, but I"m sure some of it does. That's slight cause for concern, but I don't think they'll be able to glean anything too vital.
    It's an issue if they hardcoded 'Kr33pt0' as the comm key, but I want to think .mil is savvier than that. Other than that, I'm pretty sure it's all standard algos. Change the public key and you should be good to go. Heck, I don't even want to know how much we're gonna be billed for the 'software upgrade' to swap out the public key.

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    It's an expensive RC plane with a boatload of electronics, 90% of which are probably made in china to begin with. I don't see what the hoopla is all about, frankly. If you told me it carries nuclear warheads, then we would have a problem. Otherwise, there's little novel about it.
    freakin Chinese will probably send it back equipped with free 4G for everybody...

    See the problem here....

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    It's an issue if they hardcoded 'Kr33pt0' as the comm key, but I want to think .mil is savvier than that. Other than that, I'm pretty sure it's all standard algos. Change the public key and you should be good to go. Heck, I don't even want to know how much we're gonna be billed for the 'software upgrade' to swap out the public key.
    Yup yup. Changing all that crypto is bound to be a pain in the arse. I'm not familar with the ability of a drone to auto-pilot and land, but if they did hack in and take this down, there's a slight possibility that they gleaned a password due to social engineering/keylogging. Again, I might be overestimating their abilities.

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    They probably will dig through our comm equipment on the drone... not sure how much of it involves crypto, but I"m sure some of it does. That's slight cause for concern, but I don't think they'll be able to glean anything too vital.
    I suspect that the stealth technology would be more valuable but they may have already stolen that...

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    It's an expensive RC plane with a boatload of electronics, 90% of which are probably made in china to begin with. I don't see what the hoopla is all about, frankly. If you told me it carries nuclear warheads, then we would have a problem. Otherwise, there's little novel about it.
    You can bet it has some proprietary features we didn't want others to have.

    It's obvious to me. The Iranians saw it, and they jammed it's comms.

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    I wonder if the Iranians let the Russians and Chinese looks, for a hefty fee, of course?

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    Myself, I wonder if (and hope that) the drone is some sort of red herring that is not even a close representation of our actual drones. That it's loaded with some Stuxnet type virus in the software that will cause any reverse-engineered replica to hunt down Ahmadenijad and fly up his ass.

    Just sayin'

    Yeah, because he's a difficult guy to hunt down.



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    Yup yup. Changing all that crypto is bound to be a pain in the arse. I'm not familar with the ability of a drone to auto-pilot and land, but if they did hack in and take this down, there's a slight possibility that they gleaned a password due to social engineering/keylogging. Again, I might be overestimating their abilities.
    What do you mean? The crypto won't change, since it looks like it hasn't been compromised. I don't think this thing was hacked at all. I would think all you need to bring it down is a strong enough signal jammer.

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    You can bet it has some proprietary features we didn't want others to have.
    Like what?

    It's obvious to me. The Iranians saw it, and they jammed it's comms.
    That's what I suspect too. It's still just a very expensive RC plane. Nothing novel about it, other than the fact it's used in a warzone.

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    What do you mean? The crypto won't change, since it looks like it hasn't been compromised. I don't think this thing was hacked at all. I would think all you need to bring it down is a strong enough signal jammer.
    Perhaps, but I wouldn't be surprised if the military jumps through hoops changing keys as a precautionary measure, unless they know for sure the exact reason it went down.

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    Well, now we know... it was pretty obvious, tbh...

    US Sentinel Drone Fooled Into Landing With GPS Spoofing
    "Following up on the earlier Slashdot story, the Christian Science Monitor now reports that GPS spoofing was used to get the RQ-170 Sentinel Drone to land in Iran. According to an Iranian engineer quoted in the article, 'By putting noise [jamming] on the communications, you force the bird into autopilot. This is where the bird loses its brain.' Apparently, once it loses its brain, the bird relies on GPS signals to get home. By spoofing GPS, Iranian engineers were able to get the drone to 'land on its own where we wanted it to, without having to crack the remote-control signals and communications.'"

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    Well, now we know... it was pretty obvious, tbh...

    US Sentinel Drone Fooled Into Landing With GPS Spoofing
    "Following up on the earlier Slashdot story, the Christian Science Monitor now reports that GPS spoofing was used to get the RQ-170 Sentinel Drone to land in Iran. According to an Iranian engineer quoted in the article, 'By putting noise [jamming] on the communications, you force the bird into autopilot. This is where the bird loses its brain.' Apparently, once it loses its brain, the bird relies on GPS signals to get home. By spoofing GPS, Iranian engineers were able to get the drone to 'land on its own where we wanted it to, without having to crack the remote-control signals and communications.'"
    Who designed such a stupid in machine? If the thing loses it's brain it should explode so as not to compromise the technology and information inside.

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    how do you spoof gps to confuse a base in Iran with a base in Afghanistan?

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    how do you spoof gps to confuse a base in Iran with a base in Afghanistan?
    Yeah...it was in Afghanistan




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    Yeah...it was in Afghanistan




    The predator flew into a trap
    Yeah, I'm beginning to think the Afghans stole it and sold it to the Iranians.

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    Yeah...the covert war in Iran had nothing to do with this...

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    how do you spoof gps to confuse a base in Iran with a base in Afghanistan?
    You beam a fake GPS stream with fake coordinates and time...

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    Who designed such a stupid in machine? If the thing loses it's brain it should explode so as not to compromise the technology and information inside.
    The problem is that satellite signals are pretty weak as is. There's probably a lot of disconnects/reconnects. There's no easy solution to this problem.

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    Wow...this is pretty creepy if true...our entire military strategy is built around gps...so cruise missiles could be obsolete?

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    Wow...this is pretty creepy if true...our entire military strategy is built around gps...so cruise missiles could be obsolete?
    It's hard to jam something moving too fast. Plus, cruise missiles can be programmed to use GPS just on the last few miles. You'll lose a bit of precision, but overall, it would be difficult to stop.

    The problem here is with unmanned vehicles that have arbitrary movement.

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    hmmm...what about armor battlefield maneuvers...thats all gps guided now...

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    us sentinel drone fooled into landing with gps spoofing
    "following up on the earlier slashdot story, the christian science monitor now reports that gps spoofing was used to get the rq-170 sentinel drone to land in iran. According to an iranian engineer quoted in the article, 'by putting noise [jamming] on the communications, you force the bird into autopilot. This is where the bird loses its brain.' apparently, once it loses its brain, the bird relies on gps signals to get home. By spoofing gps, iranian engineers were able to get the drone to 'land on its own where we wanted it to, without having to crack the remote-control signals and communications.'"
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