Shroud of Turin: "Authentic"

[rascal]

That is the face and image of Christ.
It was a miracle that cannot be replicated.
It was a gift to the believers. The non believers would still not believe if Christ came down from the skies.

[Sportcamper]

Very nice group photo...

[lefty]

It's a weather balloon

[DMC]

That is the face and image of Christ.
It was a miracle that cannot be replicated.
It was a gift to the believers. The non believers would still not believe if Christ came down from the skies.

The babelcloth

As if anyone knows what Jesus of Nazareth looked like.

Any face with a beard and long hair must be Jesus, no one else could dress like that.

Jesus was a trend setter

He set trends

[rascal]

The babelcloth

As if anyone knows what Jesus of Nazareth looked like.

Any face with a beard and long hair must be Jesus, no one else could dress like that.

Jesus was a trend setter

He set trends

His face is on the shroud. You are a non believer so there is no convincing you.

[DMC]

Show me a pic for comparison.

I believe what I am compelled to believe.

Compel me.

[manufan10]

The babelcloth

As if anyone knows what Jesus of Nazareth looked like.

Any face with a beard and long hair must be Jesus, no one else could dress like that.

Jesus was a trend setter

He set trends

Technically, believers in the shroud believe that it's actually the blood marks on the forehead, hands, feet, and side of the figure on the shroud that make them believe that it's Jesus, and not the facial features. The bloodied spots line up with the biblical accounts. The crown of thorns, the nails in the hands and feet, and the pierced side appear to line up accurately.

[rascal]

Show me a pic for comparison.

I believe what I am compelled to believe.

Compel me.

You have no faith.
People with no faith will not believe.

[JoeChalupa]

Faith. It is like the Virgin de Guadalupe that was imaged on Juan Diego's tunic.

[JoeChalupa]

Very nice group photo...

That's me and the wife in there.

[DMC]

You have no faith.
People with no faith will not believe.

Why do you need evidence if you have faith?

Religious people

[JoeChalupa]

Why do you need evidence if you have faith?

Religious people

I concur. That is why all the doubters don't bother my faith at all.

[DMC]

I concur. That is why all the doubters don't bother my faith at all.

My point is that people take things like "miracles" and this shroud facade and they call it evidence, then they say you have to have faith.

Faith is in lieu of evidence.

Some people lack the ability to suppress the mind's natural tendency to call bull .

[JoeChalupa]

My point is that people take things like "miracles" and this shroud facade and they call it evidence, then they say you have to have faith.

Faith is in lieu of evidence.

Some people lack the ability to suppress the mind's natural tendency to call bull .

It takes faith to believe with out "evidence". Some ask for "proof" that God exists while I see proof all around us everyday. But I hear ya.

[Wild Cobra]

Editing... starting new thread...

Rather than sidetracking, here is a new thread for the pizza gun

[rascal]

How many Mannys in the Photo?

[Spursfan092120]

My point is that people take things like "miracles" and this shroud facade and they call it evidence, then they say you have to have faith.

Faith is in lieu of evidence.

Some people lack the ability to suppress the mind's natural tendency to call bull .

Why is it that in this thread, nobody has cared if you believe or not, and have not asked for you to believe, yet you continue to look down on them for believing and try to get them to not believe? What do you gain from them thinking you're right?

[DMC]

Why is it that in this thread, nobody has cared if you believe or not, and have not asked for you to believe, yet you continue to look down on them for believing and try to get them to not believe? What do you gain from them thinking you're right?

1. Everyone here wants the person they are talking to to think they are right, including you.

2. I haven't asked anyone to not believe.

3. I've only stated points just as they have.

4. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

6. An image of a face on a cloth isn't evidence of a Christ.

7. It's debatable if it's even caused by a real face, so that one has to be overcome first.

8. Are you afraid someone will begin to use deductive reasoning skills?

[scott]

1. Everyone here wants the person they are talking to to think they are right, including you.

2. I haven't asked anyone to not believe.

3. I've only stated points just as they have.

4. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

6. An image of a face on a cloth isn't evidence of a Christ.

7. It's debatable if it's even caused by a real face, so that one has to be overcome first.

8. Are you afraid someone will begin to use deductive reasoning skills?

You must have faith to understand Point #5.

[Spursfan092120]

1. Everyone here wants the person they are talking to to think they are right, including you.

2. I haven't asked anyone to not believe.

3. I've only stated points just as they have.

4. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

6. An image of a face on a cloth isn't evidence of a Christ.

7. It's debatable if it's even caused by a real face, so that one has to be overcome first.

8. Are you afraid someone will begin to use deductive reasoning skills?

3, 4, 6, 7, and 8 prove my point

[Blake]

You must have faith to understand Point #5.

Merry #5mas

[Jesus]

6. An image of a face on a cloth isn't evidence of a Christ.

Prove it.

[DMC]

Prove it.

I just did.

[DMC]

3, 4, 6, 7, and 8 prove my point

Via fiat?

[BacktoBasics]

Technically, believers in the shroud believe that it's actually the blood marks on the forehead, hands, feet, and side of the figure on the shroud that make them believe that it's Jesus, and not the facial features. The bloodied spots line up with the biblical accounts. The crown of thorns, the nails in the hands and feet, and the pierced side appear to line up accurately.

This is typical of bible thumping weekend warriors who really don't that much about their religion but were taught in Sunday school to avoid arguing with those who don't believe and resort to faith.

Its obvious the shroud has a likeness to the perception of Jesus. The blood stains or markings equate to pure conjecture as there is no provenance for accurate reference.