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Calling other posters "bad fans" or the like because they don't share your opinion or expectations for the team is re ed.
I'm pretty sure everybody here watches the Spurs, cheers for them and want the team to win.
Rose colored glasses would look good on you, my friend. Don't let wanting to put me in my place get in the way of your own happiness this holiday season. Go Spurs Go!
Calling other posters "bad fans" or the like because they don't share your opinion or expectations for the team is re ed.
I'm pretty sure everybody here watches the Spurs, cheers for them and want the team to win.
I don't need to put you in your place. I am sure Spurs fans would love for your bubbly outlook to be right, but most of us know better.
our team just won 60 *last season*. I would personally wager the majority of the spurs fanbase, maybe not here on ST, but in SA and abroad overall is still very excited about this team's chances.
Your expectations being low is a personal problem tbh
Boston has done so much since 2009.
The majority of fans who think we are championship material are ignorant of basketball goings on.
Their exuberance doesn't move me. This forum is for discussion and some here do know basketball goings on.
A finals appearance that went all the way Game 7 doesn't sound like much to you. Ok.Boston has done so much since 2009.
Negativity breeds negativity.
In your negative, biased opinion.
Fine, just don't be ultra defensive like you're being when I call you out for prematurely ting on the parade.Their exuberance doesn't move me. This forum is for discussion and some here do know basketball goings on.
Only 1 team out of 29 wins. Even in our best years we weren't ever guaranteed a le. Spurs fans = spoiled.
The defense looks like it will improve this year but if we keep shooting 30 three pointers a game then we are not winning a trophy. Do you think we are going to get open looks in the playoffs?
We just need to play tough D. An open 3 is a good 3 for any shooter. We are stacked with shooters so if they are open why not. That's the reason TP and Manu go to the rack to give folks open looks. Play D and Push the ball.
This - is exactly the point.
I've said this before, yet it bears repeating again. Just because someone doles out constructive criticism about the team or questions the rationale of some management decision DOES NOT make them any less of a fan than someone who does not.
Personally, I'd say that anyone who believes this team should or will "win a le every year" or that "every move the FO makes is perfect" is as "over the top" with their opinion as someone who feels that the FO never does anything right.
It's a known fact that the window of championship contention for any team is cyclical. We'd all like to see that 5th championship. However, we also know that, at some point, the good times will end - if they haven't already. As a matter of fact, if you consider the Spurs last two playoff appearances, the existing frontcourt deficiencies and the age and decline of our resident superstar (Duncan), it certainly justifies the opinions of those that believe the le window has closed.
The point is, we're all Spurs fans. Some are more "rose-colored" optimists than others, while others are more pragmatic and realistic than some. After all, this is a discussion forum and everyone here has a right to their opinion.
Oh no, I'm completely unbiased, just like you. Also, my opinion is only negative to those who disagree with me.
Don't have premature parades. We're 1 game in.Fine, just don't be ultra defensive like you're being when I call you out for prematurely ting on the parade.
30 teams in the league, tbh.Only 1 team out of 29 wins. Even in our best years we weren't ever guaranteed a le. Spurs fans = spoiled.
Ok, some think being a fan means blindly cheerleading. That's fine. I support the group too, but instead of being a cheerleader who's conditioned and trained to repeat ad nauseum "go team go", I am the booster in the audience who wants to tell the coach to play the big guy, else we will lose like last year. We are both fans.
Based on what?
I would call my expectations realistic. It's a matter of opinion really. There's no right or wrong here.
Your opinion appears factually negative. Unless you wish to consider the Spurs being a fringe team positive. Wouldn't surprise me with gloomy weather fans.
You've both created the parade and on it. Normal spurs fan doesn't judge his healthy Big 3's team on Game 1.Don't have premature parades. We're 1 game in.
duly noted.30 teams in the league, tbh.
It's not based on any set survey or facts. Just the amount of smiling faces at the game and the general at ude of fellow spurs fans here locally. 60 win seasons don't happen every season for every team, even if you take it for granted because we faced an elite defensive team in the first round and lost.
I'm not trying to change your opinion. Only make you justify it with something other than Bonner sucks, we need bigmen, etc. AKA potentialities and conditions you also have no way of proving would improve the team or make us surefire contenders. Why be negative when you can be positive? is all I ask.I would call my expectations realistic. It's a matter of opinion really. There's no right or wrong here.
I have a smiling face when I watch the Spurs. That doesn't mean I consider the team as currently constructed to have any better odds at winning it all.
I think you're confused between being excited to see the Spurs again with realistic chances of going all the way as things stand today.
Regular season wins are simply not the ultimate word in playoff performance. They mean jack if players that thrive in the regular season don't show up in the playoffs (Bonner, RJ, Blair, etc). I've seen no indication this team is going away from those guys having somewhat leading roles with the team.
Well, an injury to other contender(s) could make us contenders. I just rather not rely on that. Do I know for a fact Bonner, RJ and Blair will suddenly grow a pair in the playoffs? No. I'm just going with the sampling we have.
What I do know, is that if we're going to address that in a meaningful way (other than hoping), whoever their replacements are need to come over and start playing sooner rather than later, due to the system, etc (somewhat what happened with Splitter last season, who was not ready when the playoffs came around).
For example, I'm happy Kawhi is getting minutes early. It means that potentially, the RJ issue is tackled. But inside, there's not enough answers. Splitter is there (replaces Dice, basically), and could spare Tim, maybe get some Bonner minutes. But we don't have enough in there for the amount of minutes.
Sometimes I get a little outspoken about this stuff, especially at the start of the season. Seeing a bunch of negativity from other spurs fans bothers the out of me. I always try to think of the city and fans as part of the team in a way. Maybe I'm just too old school in that regard, pledging allegiance to the flag of millionaires who couldn't care less (Holt). But until Tim's wheels fall off, I'm on the ship all the way til it touches the muddy bottom.
An open 3 is a good shot if it's a good shooter and they get back on defense. I agree the Spurs should work on other stuff as well because the first thing the other team will take away in the playoffs is the three point shot. Exactly what happened last year. The Spurs were the number 1 three point team in the RS but the Grizzlies took those looks away.
I don't give a royal F@#$%^ if the window is closed I'm still supporting them
I'll be watching, cheering, throwing at the TV, yelling at the TV, trolling at other team's fans and doing what fans do... sink or swim. I don't think that should preclude anybody from having an honest opinion at any given time.
For example, I think chazley is wrong 95% of the time. But he's certainly en led to his opinion.
I'll be watching, cheering, throwing at the TV, yelling at the TV, trolling at other team's fans and doing what fans do... sink or swim. I don't think that should preclude anybody from having an honest opinion at any given time.
For example, I think chazley is wrong 95% of the time. But he's certainly en led to his opinion.
There are no rings for second place. You either win it all or you don't. - Yoda
Tautologies are not good arguments, you should avoid them henceforth.
In order for something to be negative, there has to be a reference. The reference, for me, is reality. I don't go below that in terms of outlook. Doing so is pessimistic and invokes a sense of "doom and gloom" as you said. I also don't go above reality and inject homer hope. Doing so is cake and rainbows, as I said. I remain well grounded. Ground is my reference.
Can a "normal" spurs fan (Scotsman fallacy btw) judge that Tim Duncan won't average 30/15 a night or would that be doom and gloom?You've both created the parade and on it. Normal spurs fan doesn't judge his healthy Big 3's team on Game 1.
So, let me come closer to your side of the field... If the other compe ive teams all suffer injuries to their stars and their critical role players suddenly become basket cases, the Spurs would be legit contenders.
Happy?
Even the coaches will tell you they are not championship contenders at this time. They probably won't say they will not be all year, but we all know that, without Divine intervention and some serious trade deadline movement (like really serious), we aren't.
I'm sure there are a lot of folks that are ok with rooting for an above average team and that's fine.
Some people expect the very best out of the team they root for and like to identify weaknesses even though all they can do is hope that the team will adress those weaknesses. That just seems like the very core of sport - the stronger player/team usually wins and why wouldn't you want the team you root for to be the stronger team?
By the way, if you think Spurs fans are spoiled you probably haven't talked to fans of other successful franchises very much. Most fans demand success once they've been exposed to it. It's a sport, a compe ion and at the end of the day only the teams that wins it all will be remembered.
Good test tonight for the Spurs against an up and coming team with a formidable front court. I'll be happier about a win tonight than against Memphis in terms of gauging this team.
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