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    focus focus focus on the topic at hand...
    The fact that expert opinion is fallible has everything to do with the topic at hand.

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    More from the experts:

    Tex Winter, now 84 and the veteran of more than a half century of coaching, has serious misgivings about what the league has done.

    Winter acknowledges the outgrowth of the new rules interpretation is the rise of the super dominant offensive player, led by Wade’s performance in the NBA Finals and Bryant’s string of 40-, 50, even 60-point games during the regular season.

    “It’s brought all these 40-point scorers,” Winter said. “They can’t score 40 points unless they get 15-20 free throws.”

    And that’s exactly what they were getting on their big nights.

    “They should be protected, but not that much,” Winter said of the current generation of talented offensive players. “I don’t think that just touching a player should be a foul.”

    Read more: http://hoopshype.com/articles/defens...#ixzz1i35tSy1Y

    lol basically saying Bryant's prolific scoring output was the result of favorable rule changes implemented to boost perimeter scoring.

    And he's right. Any scoring records achieved by a perimeter after the rule changes should have an asterisk near them.
    Spin won't help either ....you're relying on everyone else's opinion except your own...trying to hard midge...

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    let me try to explain Hakeem's take...

    the PG doesn't have to athletic or tough just a good facilitator...the 2 guard has to be athletic, tough, skilled, and a good facilitator...able to defend the point, 2 guard and small forward position if needed...you will rarely see a point asked to defend a 2...because out of the gate their smaller and can easily be taken to the post...

    The center doesn't have to do anything special except establish post and call for the ball...he faces double teams but only in the context of the low post box he's in...the 2 guard faces double and triple teams all over the court and has to work his way out of it or pass..the center's double's are far less complex and only require a quick kick-out to an open shooter...

    Hakeem is right...the 2 guard is the NBA's ultimate position...that's why Lebron tries so hard at it...
    You're in' re ed. Lebron plays the game more like a hybrid point guard/forward (similar to Magic) than a shooting guard. He's doesn't "need to try hard at it" considering he has the best SG in the league by his side.

    Go in' choke on a banana and stop trying to talk ball.

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    The fact that expert opinion is fallible has everything to do with the topic at hand.

    hmm..let's see...Hakeem or Midge...who will you side with...

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    Any scoring records achieved by a perimeter player after the rule changes should have an asterisk near them.
    Only pussies & assholes lodge asterisks.

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    Spin won't help either ....you're relying on everyone else's opinion except your own...trying to hard midge...
    Exactly what you're doing by invoking Hakeem's opinion.

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    Only pussies & assholes lodge asterisks.
    How 'bout them Browns!

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    How 'bout them Browns!

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    hmm..let's see...Hakeem or Midge...who will you side with...
    (Since we all know you think Kobe is still better than Lebron) Kool or West, who will you side with...

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    You're in' re ed. Lebron plays the game more like a hybrid point guard/forward (similar to Magic) than a shooting guard. He's doesn't "need to try hard at it" considering he has the best SG in the league by his side.

    Go in' choke on a banana and stop trying to talk ball.

    spin and anger won't help you either...you're now face to face with a Chimp and he has you in a tailspin

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    (Since we all know you think Kobe is still better than Lebron) Kool or West, who will you side with...

    side with West...the argument for me is no longer who's better but about getting to 6...A prime Kobe s all over a prime Lebron and well if you dont beleive me ask Timmy...

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    spin and anger won't help you either...you're now face to face with a Chimp and he has you in a tailspin
    What spin? You made a false statement (that Lebron tries to be a shooting guard) and I called out your immense re ation.

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    What spin? You made a false statement (that Lebron tries to be a shooting guard) and I called out your immense re ation.
    because he does...he tries to be that in Cleveland and now in Miami you''re probably one of a few with blinders on that won't acknowledge the obvious...and I might add...it's the very reason he has no low post game...as small forward he should have one..but he doesn't in fact he went to Hakeem for help this past summer on his low post game...

    face it I know way more than you about this game...you're just an angry, average, middle of the road white guy...with the fat belly btw...

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    side with West...the argument for me is no longer who's better but about getting to 6...A prime Kobe s all over a prime Lebron and well if you dont beleive me ask Timmy...
    Not really.

    Ask Timmy what? About Kobe's prime? He'll just respond "I was the better player."

    There really isn’t any diplomatic way to this: Tim Duncan’s playoff performances essentially run circles over Kobe Bryant’s. Indeed, the Big Fundamental has five postseason performances that surpass Kobe Bryant’s best playoff run (2001-02, 2005-06, 2002-03, 2006-07, 2008-09) and also several other notable playoff performances. It’s not by accident that fans and people in the media shower Duncan with praise and peg him as the best power forward of all time; he has had an exceptional career.

    Top Finals Performances of All Time:

    Name Team Year PPG RPG APG FG% PER
    Dwyane Wade Mia 2006 34.7 7.8 3.8 46.8 33.8
    Tim Duncan SA 2003 24.2 17.0 5.3 49.5 32.0
    Michael Jordan Chi 1991 31.2 6.6 11.4 55.8 31.5
    Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2002 36.3 12.3 3.8 59.5 31.4
    Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2000 38.0 16.7 2.3 61.1 31.1
    Michael Jordan Chi 1998 33.5 4.0 2.3 42.7 30.8
    Tim Duncan SA 1999 27.4 14.0 2.4 53.7 30.7
    Dwyane Wade Mia 2011 26.5 7.0 5.2 54.6 30.2
    Michael Jordan Chi 1997 32.3 7.0 6.0 45.6 29.5
    Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2001 33.0 15.8 4.8 57.3 29.4

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    Not really.

    Ask Timmy what? About Kobe's prime? He'll just respond "I was the better player."

    There really isn’t any diplomatic way to this: Tim Duncan’s playoff performances essentially run circles over Kobe Bryant’s. Indeed, the Big Fundamental has five postseason performances that surpass Kobe Bryant’s best playoff run (2001-02, 2005-06, 2002-03, 2006-07, 2008-09) and also several other notable playoff performances. It’s not by accident that fans and people in the media shower Duncan with praise and peg him as the best power forward of all time; he has had an exceptional career.

    Top Finals Performances of All Time:

    Name Team Year PPG RPG APG FG% PER
    Dwyane Wade Mia 2006 34.7 7.8 3.8 46.8 33.8
    Tim Duncan SA 2003 24.2 17.0 5.3 49.5 32.0
    Michael Jordan Chi 1991 31.2 6.6 11.4 55.8 31.5
    Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2002 36.3 12.3 3.8 59.5 31.4
    Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2000 38.0 16.7 2.3 61.1 31.1
    Michael Jordan Chi 1998 33.5 4.0 2.3 42.7 30.8
    Tim Duncan SA 1999 27.4 14.0 2.4 53.7 30.7
    Dwyane Wade Mia 2011 26.5 7.0 5.2 54.6 30.2
    Michael Jordan Chi 1997 32.3 7.0 6.0 45.6 29.5
    Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2001 33.0 15.8 4.8 57.3 29.4


    more spin...I'm surprised this is usually not like you...fact remains Hakeem hit the nail on the head...if you can find me at least one other NBA player / expert that says another position is the hardest then I will call what they call in Blackjack... A Push

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    because he does...he tries to be that in Cleveland and now in Miami you''re probably one of a few with blinders on that won't acknowledge the obvious...and I might add...it's the very reason he has no low post game...as small forward he should have one..but he doesn't in fact he went to Hakeem for help this past summer on his low post game...

    face it I know way more than you about this game...you're just an angry, average, middle of the road white guy...with the fat belly btw...
    Since when is it requisite for a small forward (or even a power forward) to have a post game?

    PFs and SFs with weak or no post games:

    Chris Bosh: Weak post game
    KG: Weak post game
    Dirk: Weak post game
    Blake Griffin: Weak post game
    Amare: Weak post game
    Dr. J: Weak post game
    Grant Hill: No post game
    Tracy McGrady: No post game
    Shawn Marion: No post game
    'Nique: No post game


    Granted, it's a valuable skill to have, but not a must.

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    correction...find me one on Hakeem's level that matters...I just find it precarious that all these players are flocking to Hakeem for advice on the low post game and yet his opinion is nothing but hyperbolic ...you are a fine piece of work my friend...lol

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    Since when is it requisite for a small forward (or even a power forward) to have a post game?

    PFs and SFs with weak or no post games:

    Chris Bosh: Weak post game
    KG: Weak post game
    Dirk: Weak post game
    Blake Griffin: Weak post game
    Amare: Weak post game
    Dr. J: Weak post game
    Grant Hill: No post game
    Tracy McGrady: No post game
    Shawn Marion: No post game
    'Nique: No post game


    Granted, it's a valuable skill to have, but not a must.
    umm since the beginning of time ...

    that's why of the aforementioned players there's only 2 or 3 les between them...and Marion just got his off a fluke...

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    let me try to explain Hakeem's take...

    the PG doesn't have to athletic or tough just a good facilitator...the 2 guard has to be athletic, tough, skilled, and a good facilitator...able to defend the point, 2 guard and small forward position if needed...you will rarely see a point asked to defend a 2...because out of the gate their smaller and can easily be taken to the post...

    The center doesn't have to do anything special except establish post and call for the ball...he faces double teams but only in the context of the low post box he's in...the 2 guard faces double and triple teams all over the court and has to work his way out of it or pass..the center's double's are far less complex and only require a quick kick-out to an open shooter...

    Hakeem is right...the 2 guard is the NBA's ultimate position...that's why Lebron tries so hard at it...
    Centers are always getting banged up and it takes longer for them to recover. A 2 guard might be the most skilled next to a non-scoring PG, but there is a reason why there are almost no good centers left in the NBA: not many people can take the abuse.

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    correction...find me one on Hakeem's level that matters...I just find it precarious that all these players are flocking to Hakeem for advice on the low post game and yet his opinion is nothing but hyperbolic ...you are a fine piece of work my friend...lol
    Since when does having a specific skill make somebody an all-around expert?

    Isiah Thomas: Great ballhandler, great distributor, could say he had a high on-court basketball I.Q., but was a total dumbass as a coach, scout, and GM. Just because Hakeem has a great post game doesn't mean he's an authority on basketball.

    I disagree with him (as do most in the basketball world).

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    How does Hakeem's great post game make him an expert on the shooting guard position? He never played a second at shooting guard.

    That's like getting QB tips from a left tackle. He could be all ALL WORLD left tackle, but that doesn't mean he has an expert opinion on QB skills.

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    How does Hakeem's great post game make him an expert on the shooting guard position? He never played a second at shooting guard.

    That's like getting QB tips from a left tackle. He could be all ALL WORLD left tackle, but that doesn't mean he has an expert opinion on QB skills.
    /thread

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    How does Hakeem's great post game make him an expert on the shooting guard position? He never played a second at shooting guard.

    That's like getting QB tips from a left tackle. He could be all ALL WORLD left tackle, but that doesn't mean he has an expert opinion on QB skills.

    easy..it makes him an expert on the Center / PF position...and since he played with crappy guards PG's his whole career he's knows they're not worth ...

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    Few are more overrated.
    If you saw Tim when he was on top of his game you would not say he is overrated one bit . Kids will little hating ass kids though.

    Your GOD Kobe or whoever played against Tim would tell you the same, book it.

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    Only pussies & assholes lodge asterisks.
    Which one is Phil Jackson?

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