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"The beginning is always kind of scary, then ending sad but the middle is what count and what you should make stick."
That's exactly what I was whispering in your ear while I was penetrating your balloon knot.
No question about it now... Kobe over Duncan in hindsight...to have this view doesn't mean you're disloyal Spur fan...it means you're a realist.
Listen...Kobe came into the league before Duncan and is still competing at an exceptionally high level with these young cats out there...this is no small feat especially considering he's playing the hardest position on the floor which is the 2 guard position...
At this time I want to say some encouraging words to Spur fan and I mean it...
"The beginning is always kind of scary, then ending sad but the middle is what count and what you should make stick."
and Duncan did that..he made the middle count...He won four les playing alongside all-star ( Bible Thumber) David Robinson; he played with the Latin American version of Kobe Bryant in Manu, and he played with another all-star and finals MVP in Tony Parker, and he played with one of the greatest defensive players the NBA has ever seen in Bruce Bowen...
He's had great talent and multiple all-stars with him along the way it should be noted...but he made his time count...
Tim Duncan 1997-2012
"The beginning is always kind of scary, then ending sad but the middle is what count and what you should make stick."
That's exactly what I was whispering in your ear while I was penetrating your balloon knot.
very immature DMC...that's not you at all
Great point. Nothing but respect for Manu. He is the latin or poor man's Kobe Bryant. Yes Manu is bit more pass first and was never the athlete Kobe was ...but he had sneaky hops and quicks and every bit the compe or Kobe was. His only knocks were injury and a tendency to commit wild turnovers. Kobe's biggest kocks are ego and shot selection.
As for Tim, again nothing but respect. He won anytime (before 2008) that prime Shaq Kobe, Wade or wasn't ready he took full advantage and won a His consistency, high skill-set and mastery of basketball fundamentals is something any basketball purist should admire. In fact he along with McHale should put together a DVD on post-play because they proved you do not need Hakeem type athleticism to master the low block.
Last note I still believe duncan has few vintage playoff games left. Last couple years I thought he had a geat playoff "run" left ... but now I dont he could sustain that over multiple series. But would not be shocked if duncan pulls out a couple 20 and 15 games this playoffs.
Not quite ready to bury him just yet ...
but The Kobe debate is crazy. I eneded that 2 seasons ago. Dont see how you can look at the last 4 seasons and STILL say Ducnan should have a higher place in NBA history. I thought it was close but duncan was ahead in 2007. Now Kobe is ahead not by a HUGE margin, but clearly ahead IMHO.
Kobe is probably one of the best second banana's that has ever played the game.
Don't say banana, you could send him over the edge.Kobe is probably one of the best second banana's that has ever played the game.
Hey t-Long, nice start in PortlandKobe is probably one of the best second banana's that has ever played the game.
.... I will enjoy your posts until the Blazers lose in the first round ...again
Killa you are in the extreme minority that would rank Kobe higher all-time.
As far as impact to the team and franchise, there are few in NBA history who come close to Tim Duncan.
On this forum, sure.
Trust me most legit rankings (Player polls, GM's, national publications) that have Duncan higher were taken at least 2 seasons ago. I can find plenty that have Kobe higher just like you can find plenty that have Tim. Part of what I am saying is based on where they "end up" ...
But hey I won't bash Duncan here to uplift Kobe. Just take comfort there is a place that you visit regular that does MOSTLY agree with you.
Which makes sense since this is a Spurs site ...
Really? EXTREME minority?!
Lulz. Stealing BR's shtick, and doing it worse.
That's like making an even tier version of Pepsi Clear.
Duncan put in his work...just not enough to topple Kobe's body
Keep the market and city in perspective DMC...remember Kobe was a 2nd option in LA during the first 2 les and Duncan was the first in SA...Kobe was more effective as 2nd option than Duncan as 1st in their respective markets...
Few are more overrated.
Franchise impact I agree. Duncan changed a losing franchise and led them to 4 les ... Kobe went to a glamour franchise that has won BEFORE Kobe and will probably win AFTER as well ...
I think this is why ....I won't say Duncan is overrated ...but his ranking is slightly inflated ... he putthe Spurs on championship map.
Bra it's still 2011, I wouldn't assume he makes it to 2012 quite yet.
More like 1997-2008
I agree and I know all to well the pitfalls of putting the carriage before the horse but he'll finish it out..I think he should get his money even though he isn't worth it at this point...the reason why...now don't get mad at me TIMVP...but the reason why is that just as the Spurs tanked to get him they're having to deal with his tanking to go out...it's rather comical to me...
Actually the more accurate comparison would be Wade.
Who are you trying to convince? Yourself?
perhaps since Wade is a beta version of Kobe..or Kobe lite as I like to say...
Tim's just along for the paycheck now, he really has nothing left to offer them on the court...he's earned that right though after bringing 4 rings to a previously irrelevant franchise.
A small market player is never going to get the accolades a big market guy does, simply because of the overall success of the team that's based on factors in which the smaller market is at a huge disadvantage (the least not being media coverage btw).
Kobe in SA in 1997, they probably don't get a ring at all tbh. No good players would want to come play just because they have a decent shooting guard.
I'snt he averaging like 5 and 3 now...whoa it may be better to bench him...it's like sending a clown back out after the circus has officially ended and fans are exiting...
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