Ellis isn't a starting quality PG. He's got a career 1.6/1 A/TO ratio and averages 20 shots per game over the last four seasons.
He's a SG who shoots a lot, scores a lot, passes well and turns the ball over frequently. He's a talent, and a dynamic scorer, but it's never been good basketball, not that Martin is either, but my argument is the 20-ppg scorer on 13 shots per game is better for a winning offense than a 24-ppg scorer on 20 shots per game.
Curry was a scorer in the same vein as Ellis in college. I'm sure he can absorb some of the shots. Rush is a good shooter, Wright is a nice scorer, and Lee can handle a few more touches off the pic-n-roll as well.
You take 20 shots on bad teams for several reasons, the least of which is because you're a leader.
Houston needs fisher!
He would fill the role well because the Lakers are looking at scoring, and to match up athletically (which is where Fish is falling off a cliff right now).
He's also a willing passer, and he obviously would have a different role than his GSW role.
He's just the best shooter of pretty much all those, not to mention none of those guys can create their own shot and Ellis can. It's not like Ellis isn't a willing passer.
This comment along with others is where I got it from. You seem to be implying Martin is better by knocking down Monta and calling him a fluke and saying "he's peaked and is what he is..."
You failed to address the fact Monta consistently has a better FG% than Kevin and that is with having to create on his own. Again, if anything is the fluke, it's Kevin's %'s, not Monta's assist.
Yes, he gets to the FT line much more and that is a big part of what Kmart does, but as El Nono said, he would be replacing Monta and would have to do the things Monta does for the team.
It's not a bad trade, but Monta is the better player.
I heard Ellis was untouchable
Damn, it's bad enough seeing Scola in a Rocket uniform.
You're really good at taking things out of context.
The phrase lesser talent to me is a put-down. Both Martin and Ellis are 20-ppg scorers, Ellis a bit more dynamic, but a bit more hands-on, while Martin a bit more efficient. Ellis is the better/more-willing passer, but I feel much of it is causal from having his hands on the ball so often. Martin plays off screens much more, and doesn't always need the ball in his hands to facilitate his own scoring.
As for the out of context...
I said Ellis is what he is, in that he's plateaued and is unlikely to become a dominant superstar who can carry a winning team offensively. I did nothing to diminish him, in fact saying he had more natural potential and a higher ceiling, but that I didn't see the ceiling being reached alongside another ball-dominant PG and within a winning team. As far as talent, he's up there.
I said his 7+ APG average was a fluke, not just because of sample size (something I did qualify in my comment of Martin's increased FG%), but it is a fluke, for reasons I already pointed out, reasons you've obviously ignored: "I said flukish because he's not done the total before, but also because he's never had this significant a jump in APG since he became a starter. It's always been very incremental, and this is a HUGE jump from 5.6 to 7.7, so, yes, fluke. He's also not holding fast to his career 1.6/1 A/TO ratio, as he's currently almost 2.5/1, which would be the first time he's ever been better than 2/1."
I didn't call Ellis a fluke at all, and to say such proves you didn't read my comments, or are ignoring greater context/adding content.
I didn't fail to address anything. I said that Martin is the more consistent shooter, that Ellis the more volume/streak shooter. Martin is a bit more steady, Ellis a bit more dynamic. As for creating his own shots, Martin has a much higher FTA/FTM average for his career, and is very capable of creating his own offense off the dribble, but he doesn't always need the ball in his hands to score, a valued trait in the right offense, along the right guard.You failed to address the fact Monta consistently has a better FG% than Kevin and that is with having to create on his own. Again, if anything is the fluke, it's Kevin's %'s, not Monta's assist.
Fact is Ellis requires 20+ FGA to score his 24 PPG, while Martin can score 20+ PG on 13/14 FGA, shoot the 3-ball at a higher clip (he's steadily got better and is now very consistent from the perimeter) and he's better at getting to the line. Overall, Martin, despite his flaws is a bit more efficient.
Ellis is the better player, but I think his weaknesses in his strengths of scoring/passing (volume shooter, poor decision-making, need of the ball in his hands) stunt the value of other current Warriors, where a player like Martin could come in, not command the constant touches, still score at high rate.Yes, he gets to the FT line much more and that is a big part of what Kmart does, but as El Nono said, he would be replacing Monta and would have to do the things Monta does for the team.
It's not a bad trade, but Monta is the better player.
It's a silly debate because I really don't care for either player, and I'm not sure either is a leader on a winning team. However, the deal isn't horrible if a pick is included.
Like I said, I don't really care if the Lakers over-react and ship out a strength for a player who's never proven himself a winner and who needs the ball in his hands to be most effective.
He'd bring scoring and athleticism, for sure, and maybe that's worth more than Gasol, but Ellis and Scola doesn't seem to equal the impact of Gasol at his best, as neither is the mismatch or versatile player that Gasol is. Maybe they fit Brown's system better, though?
ellis and kobe on the same team. did the league change the rules and added an extra basketball into the game? why don't the lakers just add arenas too?
Rather have Curry
Why is LA so eager to get rid of Pau....that's some stupid right there.
We developed Luke Walton
& you developed your mother's nepotism.
...and you developed your uncles sexual orientation.
I lol'ed
"Sources"...
Little Billy Kindle, does that name strike a bell to you Curly? Of course not, because you didn't have time to ask for his name when you brutally bent him over your white Ford Pinto and gave him 1/3 of a 3 inch tootsie roll. He asked you to develop some mercy, but did you?
uh, uh.
I would so be down for this but still be pissed that Dalembert instead of Nene is the one playing next to Gasol. Doesn't matter though, since it seems that this trade is 100% fabricated.
That's a ty trade for everyone but Houston, who wins bigtime getting to dump KMart's contract.
Exactly. I first noticed that in some International Game vs the US (in 2006 I think).
He stayed in the game long after the game was in hand and he would get cheap little put backs and open layups when the US wasn't really trying anymore. His "high motor" was just him trying to stat pad and make it look like he wasn't giving up.
Long story there, Pass.
tee, hee.
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