Of course no FO is perfect but once again recently, they have made some pretty dumb moves, the biggest one has been to not provide Duncan the help he needs inside instead of that they signed RJ a multi millionaire contract, they waived Ian to save money, Pop didn't use Splitter last year, FO signed a dumb extension to a choker...
as a result of that "depth" we have been destroyed by the grizz front line with absolutely no answer because of lack of athletic big.[/QUOTE]
Splitter in my mind was healthy enough to be developed during the RS. And yes he could have helped us during the 1st round of the PO. Nevertheless thanks for making my point, by admitting that Splitter progression has been stopped due to injuries we could have used Ian.
I agree with you on this last part, I wish him the best and I'm not going to loose sleep for that.
He didn't figure it out in Austin.We'll have the same debates no matter if it matters anymore.Meh, hardly matters anymore. If the Mavs decide to play him we'll see how good he can be, if not then we'll just keep having these same debates over and over.
Looks like he averaged 4 fouls per game in Austin in 30 minutes in the regular season and 3 fouls per game in the playoffs in 38 minutes. You might share your standard with the rest of us, but I suspect it's unrealistic if those numbers aren't satisfactory for a fourth or fifth big.
Yeah I agree with that. We just can't resist. We're like kids at the dinner table; we always find the same old to fight about.
My standard was actually watching him play rather than making KBP judgments from stat sheets. There were plenty of times he would get those three or four fouls in a matter of a few minutes, effectively neutering him for defensively for the rest of the game. He was inconsistent when given the minutes. If you want to make a KBP judgment now, it looks like that hasn't changed.
I had high hopes for Ian. Didn't work out.
Dallas just signed another big man. Go figure.
Demarcus Cousins asked to be traded. But I don't trust that guy's at ude. Even with solid veterans on this team he seems too selfish and self centered to be reached.
Caveat Emptor
Wow you're an idiot I just said Splitter getting playing time helped him but he was already more proven while Ian who again like I said is raw unproven garbage. He got plenty of time in Austin to develop (better his ball control) but obviously he was too bad to play. And btw in his career he averaged that? How much garbage time blowouts were those. smh you think garbage time stats prove something.
Coach pop could turn demawcus cousins into kareem abdul jabbar, lets do it
No one can turn DC into anything. He knows everything and listens to no one. He's a piece of and the coaches AND HIS TEAMMATES hate his ass.
Yes because nobody else but you saw him play. They don't broadcast Toros games on the internet, and we didn't all watch summer league. At least you didn't go "there must have been something Pop saw in practice" yet, but I'm sure you're dying to. You saving that one?
Truthfully, your standard is making an idiotic statement about his fouling when you didn't know what the you were talking about and it bit you in the ass. Not surprising that, as usual, you won't own up to it.
Oh, then I'll switch gears from KBP mode into ChumpDumper mode: Since there are "plenty of times" then you won't have any problem producing examples.
Someone should explain to you how stats work: they're an average of what someone does over a period of time. He produced when given minutes in DLeague, and the team was pretty successful. I wonder how you're going to try to spin that.
Are you saying you watched him or just hoping not to be called out on it?
Own up to what? Watching Toros games?Truthfully, your standard is making an idiotic statement about his fouling when you didn't know what the you were talking about and it bit you in the ass. Not surprising that, as usual, you won't own up to it.
Guilty.
So you're saying you never saw it?Oh, then I'll switch gears from KBP mode into ChumpDumper mode: Since there are "plenty of times" then you won't have any problem producing examples.
After intimating you watched him play as many times as I did?
Sure thing, KBP.Someone should explain to you how stats work: they're an average of what someone does over a period of time.I've already explained about D-League stats -- and specifically for big men. Even his averages can be disappointing. Sorry you missed that.He produced when given minutes in DLeague, and the team was pretty successful. I wonder how you're going to try to spin that.
You're sure of a lot of things you're wrong about.
I watched as many Toros games as were online, and every summer league game in which he participated. That's how I knew you were full of enough to go get the stats when you decided to try to bull your way through this thread.
No, being full of .
Agreed. You're full of .
Yes, I watched the games, which is why I know you're full of and why I know you're not going to be able to live up to your own standard and show me all these examples of what a foul machine Ian was in D league.
I never intimated that I watched him play more than you did. I watched as much as I could not actually being in Austin. Doesn't really matter that you watched him play more, you clearly saw what you wanted to see and have no problem lying about the reality. And since you watched him so much, I'm still waiting for those examples.
Yes, I'm sorry I missed that too. I'm sure it was very essential to the point you think you're making and absolutely refutes the already-presented statistics that prove you wrong. Now you can declare victory without having to actually provide anything.
Ooh, another snark. You're probably the most clever person in your basement.
You missed a lot.
If you can find the old game logs, you can look up the play-by-play as easily as I can. By all means - look through all of them.
But you won't.
I know it happened several times simply because I saw it. You didn't watch because all the Toros games were online. You didn't even know that.
You're full of -- you just proved it with your own words.
lol basement snark
Then you'll have no problem doing it. We're waiting.
Their feed was ed up for a period of time, and you were relaying games to everyone because you were the only source. Seems like you would have remembered that.
So surely you remember exactly which games you watched. I mean, you are merely demanding I give you the exact date and details of the games Ian got into foul trouble.
Tell me, with your powers of total recall that you expect me to have, do you remember my saying Ian got into early foul trouble during a game?
Give the date and the opponent and number of fouls.
Seems like you would have remembered that.
God damn OV has started the 2012 with a whole lot of stupid.
No, stupid is praising the FO for signing Matt Bonner for 4X what they could have paid Ian for. And actually gotten a return on investment in the playoffs.
back to the topic of getting a big, I think the Spurs will eventually sign up a 5th big, but let's not fool ourselves. his sole purpose would be to fil up minutes and have another body for the compressed regular season. As for the playoffs what we have now is it, the only value of a 5th big is simply to manage our bigs minutes
Spurs need a 3rd or 4th big, not a 5th big.
It's only January 2, and you may have already made the stupidest post of 2012. Mahinmi played a grand total of 33 minutes in the playoffs last year, and committed 16 personal fouls. That's an average of 1 foul every two minutes. And you're arguing with ChumpDumper about him getting into foul trouble? Stupid - Mahinmi's "3 fouls per game" in the playoffs came in an average of about 6 minutes per game.
Did you even watch the Finals? They brought Ian into the game because Haywood was hurt, and he picked up 3 fouls in 5 minutes, and had to leave. And when they put him back in, he picked up another in like 4 seconds? Do you remember after one of the games, Tyson Chandler said he played tenatively, because he was worried that if he got into foul trouble, the team would have to rely on Mahinmi?
Do any of you ing loons even remember that Ian only played in 6 playoff games, out of the 21 the Mavs played last year? Why do you think the Mavs want Fesenko?
No... stupid is ignoring the fact that they guy averaged a foul-out per 10 minutes in the playoffs, and making a big deal out of one good game against Toronto. Unbe ingbelievable.
Not really a huge issue to foul out when your only slated to play 10-15 minutes max. Besides, I'd rather have a guy giving good hard fouls, playing tough and denying the rim than just letting guys waltz straight in for dunks/layups. And who cares what Chandler said (and I seriously doubt he'd insult a teammate like that through the media). Obviously the mavs liked what they saw out of Mahinmi otherwise he wouldn't be still getting playing time.
As per the mavs/Cuban, they learned over the past decade the value of having real bigmen depth. Their obvious goal the past 4-5 years has been to sign as many cheap bigs as they have roster spots for. While the spurs strategy has been to rid themselves of any extra bigs and instead load up on more swingmen/smallball 4's/shooting "bigs".
Seems to me the mavs strategy has been the right one. It may be a fact that Ian only played in 6 of the 21 playoff games, but they were some of the most important ones and he made solid contributions in those games. What playoff contributions has Bonner made recently? Or , ever?
Bottom line I'll take Mahinmi as a backup over Bonner every time, even at the same salary.
Last edited by TJastal; 01-02-2012 at 05:12 AM.
That's a point.
And another is that Ian would have played for us not at the same price of his rookie contract (more than one million dollars in his last year) but at the some amount of money that Dallas was throwing to him (less than one million dollars per two seasons).
True that Ian was a foul machine, but also true that he knew our defensive play book and that he had the defensive skills our team desperately needed (and still needs, also if for a littlle lesser extent given the rising of Splitter minutes).
You obviously haven't been watching Grizzly this year. He's taken a step forward at both ends to my eyes. Which leads us to...
We need a 4th big, and if we can get one we need Pop to play him and keep Bonner for special teams.
Actually, more than anything we need Timmy to be more than a shadow of his former self, however I think those days are behind us...
I agree but I still prefer a 6th or 7th big to no big at all. As of today we have 2 real bigs then we have a SF playing C and a SG with a PF size. No offense to a SG with a PF size when his name is Dirk but when his name is Matt BonnerYou obviously haven't been watching Grizzly this year. He's taken a step forward at both ends to my eyes. Which leads us to...
We need a 4th big, and if we can get one we need Pop to play him and keep Bonner for special teams.
Actually, more than anything we need Timmy to be more than a shadow of his former self, however I think those days are behind us...
Worst than that we have 4 bigs, for one (Tim) we need to limit his PT maybe around 25 mn with 0 btb or bbb and the other (Bonner) should just see 10 to 15 mn per game maxxx. Then we have Blair even if he is playing better defensively recently, his lack of size is an issue. Globally we have only Tiago as a full time big.
Manny mentions stupid in a thread, and, low and behold, in pops tjastal. Coincidence?
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