We haven't seen them play yet. I expect Parker and Blair (and Neal when he returns) to pick up the 20 points or so we'll miss from Manu, and hopefully Green, Anderson, and Jefferson can contribute more than once a week.
.500 in 2 months is a possibility, we're right there in the playoff hunt when Manu gets back.
If it doesn't work out and we're horrible, you freaks will be happy because you called for tanking anyway.
With Manu out for a big chunk of the season, maybe we do need to look ahead and think of needs and youth. What is Tony's value? Could he (packaged with Bonner) land us a healthy Bynum? That looks like a great deal for us right now while meeting our nemesis' biggest need. Then our overseas bigs would only need to step into the roles of backup C and PF instead of needing to be starters... a big relief.
This needs another thread...
Seriously, the Spurs either will be a low seed (6th to 8th) going into the playoffs or will miss the playoffs and get a low lottery pick, 13th to 15th.. which is just a few draft picks higher than if they make the playoffs (15th to 19th). Anyway you look at it, its still best to go for a playoff slot.
BTW if they do make the playoffs with a healthy Manu and company, they are the one low seed team you don't want to meet
Seriously if we decide to go the trading route for the future. What can we realistically get in return for Parker and maybe Blair? Did'nt Indiana say no to Parker and opted for Hill instead for a the kawhi pick? Does that give us an indication of his trade value?
Even with Manu's injury we're not reallistically getting a top 5 pick in the next draft. We still will be a .500 team at years end which at best will get us a low teen draft pick
The reason we didn't trade Parker was 'cause we decided to trade him only if packaged with R.J....that at the time was seen like a terrible player.
One thing to consider is that Manu will be out, at least, till mid february.
That means he'll be out till the last moment the nba market will be open.
That said, in case we'll understand, at that point, to be probably out of contention for the play offs, the only smart thing to do wil be decide to re-build and trade our veterans for future draft picks...
And that will be the best moment for doing it, for a lot of reasons, the main one being that is that very moment veterans will be at the top of the market value for all the teams that are starving to make the play offs and feel like they are one piece away for competing and, at the same time, in that very moment draft picks will be considered expandable for joining that goal.
RKJ, till now, is playing well, and showing he can still have more than a solid season.
If Parker can take back his shape for next 30 games, I see both of them like our best trade assets, and both capable to be traded at the deadline for more than decent draft picks.
I think there is a contradiction there, if the likely teams to trade for a veteran like Parker /RJ are teams that are close to making the playoffs, and we're after their draft picks next year. We probably are not going to get a high (top 10) decent draft pick with the trade. I don't think cellar dweller lottery teams are after veterans.
It makes no sense to decide now to tank/rebuild because one player will be out 4-6 weeks.
In the hypothetical case of Spurs struggling so much during Manu's injury that playoffs hopes are gone, then rebuild/tank would be an option. The first player who should be traded to start this process is obviously Ginobili.
Who would trade for Manu and what would they give up for Manu (given he is injured and next year is his last year of his contract which expires when he 36 yrs old). Bottom line Manu does not provide the best trade value for other teams and his value is still best used by the Spurs
If I am a contender but need one more offensive option (Bulls?) and more experience, I would seriously consider trading for Manu.
The trade deadline is March 15 this year. Manu will be an healthy player at that time. And Manu has negative value for Spurs if they start a rebuilding process: he will hurt them with wins that will give them a worst draft pick. If you start to rebuild the team, trading Ginobili is an obvious move even if you don't get a lot for him. Trading Parker is more debatable but I think it would be the right move to do too.
Maybe so, but besides the fact that Manu is probably untouchable like TD, its his shooting hand that is broken so it might take longer for him to round into form, plus he'll probably also be out of shape basketball wise too.
I agree on TP and RJ though.
The question is obviously not whether to trade Ginobili or not,
but what Ginobili is doing on a team that had zero chance to make it to the finals.
That's only a fact for CoM members. Fact is only Duncan is untouchable. Manu is in the same class than Parker. If you think there is nothign wrong with Spurs trading Parker, then there is nothing wrong with Spurs trading Ginobili.
I say "probably untouchable" because IMHO I seriously doubt that Pop would ever condone trading away the spark plug and heart of this team.
Why not just quit on a season?
But UR right LJ
Well I'm holding off on the tank sentiment until I hear something more definitive on how much time Gino will miss and until I see about 5-6 games without him.
Ginobili breaks hand, Spurs narrowly miss playoffs, end up with number one pick and draft Drummond, restarting our dynasty.
Do it R.C.
Their odds to win the lottery in such a scenario would be about 0.5% - 0.8%. They'd need to tank hard if they decide to go this route, which they most likely won't tbh.Ginobili breaks hand, Spurs narrowly miss playoffs, end up with number one pick and draft Drummond, restarting our dynasty.
Do it R.C.
I understand what you mean, but it's not necessarly a contradiction.
First 'cause there are teams that could make the play offs but have picks from other teams (that could not make the play offs), second 'cause there are teams, for example, like Toronto that are supposedly not going to the play offs that could have a not so high level of interest for a draft full of bigs (while they already have three of decent value like Bargnani, Davis, A. Jhonson and one supposedly being a very good one for next year in Valenciunas) and prefer a little, better, chance to make the play offs with a good veteran acquired at the dead line.
One injury and the lion's share of fandom want to toss the towel.
Did Dirk toss that damn thing at 15 down last Summer?
Did D. Fish toss that damn thing down at .4 that one Summer?
Did D. Fish toss that damn thing down---down 13 on June.17.2010?
Did the bag toss it when Daddy was comin' at him 100 mph on that 3 pointer?
Look at ya's. If I catch ya's downstairs I'll give ya the CmofosC quicker than a rabbit gets ed.
Shut up.
^ s/Bells, somebody had to speak up.
When you combine a Manu injury with Tim looking done, I think it makes perfect sense to tank in a great draft year. The alternative is they get a lousy pick this year and start really sucking next year with a weak draft. When Tim Duncan isn't Tim Duncan this team's le hopes are shot no matter how well the rest of the team plays, and a Manu who won't be 100% this year probably ensures the Spurs cannot even win a playoff series.
Only P's & A's tank.
I prefer to think of it as pulling a Kobe, though they did it in his prime.
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