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    Es verdad.

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    momentary inconveniences are one thing, locking up Americans for up to a year in a place where they have no right to a prompt hearing or reliable access to any lawyer, and the authority holding them has no right whatsoever to hold them, is an abomination to the day after Bill of Rights day

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    Immigration Crackdown Also Snares Americans

    Exact numbers of Americans erroneously held by immigration authorities are hard to come by, since they are not systematically recorded. In one study, 82 people who were held for deportation from 2006 to 2008 at two immigration detention centers in Arizona, for periods as long as a year, were freed after immigration judges determined that they were American citizens.
    What does the article have to do with the quote about a "study" below it? Unless I missed something, there's nothing in the article that says anyone's being held for longer than 48 hours and mentions that Immigration lacks the authority to detain citizens.

    I wonder if Obama's voters know about this draconian "Crackdown" that he's leading. Perhaps the people that have been complaining about the borders for the last 30 years had a point and this could have been avoided.

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    What does the article have to do with the quote about a "study" below it? Unless I missed something, there's nothing in the article that says anyone's being held for longer than 48 hours and mentions that Immigration lacks the authority to detain citizens.

    I wonder if Obama's voters know about this draconian "Crackdown" that he's leading. Perhaps the people that have been complaining about the borders for the last 30 years had a point and this could have been avoided.
    The quoted part is the 10th paragraph of the linked article.

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    Jail is fun! No big deal for those Americans, I'm sure they made new friends.

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    is an abomination to the day after Bill of Rights day
    for the record, was not commemorated in this subforum

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    The quoted part is the 10th paragraph of the linked article.
    Ah, thank you. Upon re-reading, that seems rather thrown in there, as the rest of the article doesn't relate to it at all. If there were actually that many people being held for up to a year it seems like there'd be an example of someone held longer than 48 hours.

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    Jail is fun! No big deal for those Americans, I'm sure they made new friends.
    No different than you and your "friends" and the things y'all do outside of prison though.

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    Ah, thank you. Upon re-reading, that seems rather thrown in there, as the rest of the article doesn't relate to it at all. If there were actually that many people being held for up to a year it seems like there'd be an example of someone held longer than 48 hours.
    One person held for a year is one person too many. Especially for an agency that has zero authority to detain US citizens.

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    ICE's "Detention Reforms" Benefit Private Prison Corporations

    It was AZ or NV where the PIC lobbyists pushing for severe undo ented alien crackdown/incarceration laws were big contributors to the state legislature/governor, or sumpin like that. Of course, it's the taxpayers who engorge the PIC, but you never here tea baggers ing about it.

    But Corporate-Americans are wonderful, virtuous people who should be completely unregulated and worshipped as the highest form of civilization.

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    Mark Lyttle was deported to Mexico in 2008. Lyttle, who has a history of mental illness, gave ICE agents conflicting stories, telling them that he was a U.S. citizen and also that he was a Mexican to avoid an argument.


    ICE apparently ignored records showing that he was born in North Carolina and had no relatives in Mexico. Eventually Lyttle returned to the U.S.


    Earlier this year, the government admitted that another deported man named Andres Robles was a citizen.


    It sent Robles a letter, with an odd offer.


    The letter said the government was prepared to issue a certificate of U.S. citizenship to Robles, but said he would have to pick it up, adding that it realized it wouldn't be possible for him to do because he was deported.


    The case of a Phoenix man, George Ibarra, isn't so clear-cut. He has been deported twice over the past 15 years while trying to prove his citizenship.


    "I'm up against a big old juggernaut," Ibarra says. "You know, a bureaucratic juggernaut that just doesn't want to let go; you know they just keep trying to stick it to me."


    Ibarra was being held in the Maricopa County Jail in Phoenix for shooting a gun into the air — in frustration, he says.


    "I've been just sitting there in my house going crazy, man," Ibarra says. "My lawyer told me I can't do nothing, can't go to work till this thing's over."


    Ibarra was a Marine. He has the Marine insignia — the eagle, anchor and globe — tattooed on his chest. He suffers from PTSD after being wounded in the first Gulf War. Ibarra grew up in Phoenix. What he didn't know was that his mother was born just over the border in Nogales, Mexico. That's where Ibarra was born. His mother brought him to Arizona when he was a baby; the fact that his mother has lived in the U.S. for decades, his grandfather was born in Arizona and, he says, his great-grandmother was born in California should make Ibarra eligible for what's called "derived citizenship."


    "He never knew about this legal right to citizenship through his grandfather and his mother," says Luis Parra, Ibarra's lawyer. "He never knew about that."


    Like many caught in ICE detention, Ibarra was ignorant of the law. The first time he was picked up, he faced nine months in the detention center in Florence, Ariz. That's when he made a mistake — when ICE said he could get out early if he voluntarily deported himself. He said yes.


    "They put me on a bus and shipped me to Mexico," Ibarra says. "I was in Mexico. I was like, 'Where do I go? What do I do?' "


    He turned right around with his military ID and driver's license and came back through the Nogales port of entry. Then he got into trouble with the local police again — a drug use charge. But now he had a deportation on his record, calling into question his claim to citizenship. Faced with another long stint in detention, he volunteered to be deported a second time.


    "He made some mistakes, that's for sure," Parra says.


    After Parra became Ibarra's lawyer, an immigration judge looked at the evidence and ruled that Ibarra does have a right to citizenship. But ICE has appealed that ruling.


    "Why hasn't it stopped?" Parra asks. "Despite the fact that he's a veteran and despite the fact that he's a fourth-generation American?"
    https://www.npr.org/2011/10/24/14150...g-u-s-citizens

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    So what do you propose they do differently?

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    not detain US citizens, for starters. ICE has no authority to do so.

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    so then the police should be in charge of it, somebody has to uphold the immigration law.

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    Police in charge of a federal function?

    Plus which, already overloaded courts and jails probably can't handle the burden. Clearly, you haven't thought this through...

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    lol libertarians laughing at due process violations and false imprisonment of US citizens

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    so then federal agents should be out making the arrests then? if you object to that then we'll just have to assume that you don't want the laws enforced at all and that you must in fact be mexican.

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    no laws enforced? that's the lame strawman you started with.

    short term memory problems?

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    you're against anyone being apprehended and removed if thought to be in the country illegally, we get it.

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    your suggestion that no problem worthy of a solution exists only highlights your low regard for the liberty you claim to protect.

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