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    Are you certain that it reflects despair and not an appreciation of the economy of effort?
    I see the distinction you are making, but it appears to be one without a difference.
    Crying that things are wrong doesn't seem to advance the proposition much either.
    complaining is about wrongs is necessary feedback and, if sufficiently intense, can get political traction.

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    I see the distinction you are making, but it appears to be one without a difference.
    complaining is about wrongs is necessary feedback and, if sufficiently intense, can get political traction.
    Well, it seems to me that the difference is this: despair is a strong emotion that is characterized by a lack of all hope. A giving up, if you will.

    On the other hand, an appreciation of the economy of effort is an almost emotion-less understanding that engaging in more of the behavior (coming up with solutions to the stated problem of tax codes being so out of touch with the needs of the country at the moment) that has been tried repeatedly by about 4 different commissions/committees in the past 18 months but has been met with indifference or outright hostility by members of both currently governing political parties, is a colossal waste of time.

    IMHO, our energies are better spent trying to get moderates from both parties elected rather than the firebrands that are currently refusing to consider cooperation or compromise.

    Until different people are receiving the reports of the commissions and committees that have worked and worked on these issues, there is little expectation that recent history will not be repeated.

    What is that old saw about what it means to repeat the same behavior over and over and expect a different outcome?

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    Well, it seems to me that the difference is this: despair is a strong emotion that is characterized by a lack of all hope. A giving up, if you will.

    On the other hand, an appreciation of the economy of effort is an almost emotion-less understanding that engaging in more of the behavior (coming up with solutions to the stated problem of tax codes being so out of touch with the needs of the country at the moment) that has been tried repeatedly by about 4 different commissions/committees in the past 18 months but has been met with indifference or outright hostility by members of both currently governing political parties, is a colossal waste of time.
    educating voters about the inequities/inefficiencies of our tax system and the necessity of reform is worthwhile regardless, but wrt to elected pols I can definitely agree.
    IMHO, our energies are better spent trying to get moderates from both parties elected rather than the firebrands that are currently refusing to consider cooperation or compromise.

    Until different people are receiving the reports of the commissions and committees that have worked and worked on these issues, there is little expectation that recent history will not be repeated.
    I'm not too sanguine about the two major parties. Both have basically been captured by the the special interests that fund elections and write laws for them.

    The system is broken. Voters should bust both parties in the chops by supporting a third more oriented to the public interest than crony capitalism. until voters can instill fear of accountability at the polls, or reform changes the role of money, nothing will change, even if more moderate Dems and Republicans are elected.

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    Many of us have been advocating for about 10 years now, a consumption tax, rather than our current productivity tax.
    We have a consumption tax in place, it's called sales tax.

    Productivity tax? Care to elaborate, maybe you mean earned income tax?

    As far as unearned income tax, I'm not sure how you can reason that productive especially given the past few years and beyond. Mitt Romney, Donald trump and many others for example has a history of bankruptcy that tax us all. if they're productive by your definition, so was Hurricane Katrina.

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    educating voters about the inequities/inefficiencies of our tax system and the necessity of reform is worthwhile regardless, but wrt to elected pols i can definitely agree.
    I'm not too sanguine about the two major parties. Both have basically been captured by the the special interests that fund elections and write laws for them.

    The system is broken. Voters should bust both parties in the chops by supporting a third more oriented to the public interest than crony capitalism. Until voters can instill fear of accountability at the polls, or reform changes the role of money, nothing will change, even if more moderate dems and republicans are elected.
    amen!!

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    WRT voters needing to 'bust both parties in the chops' I actually kind of hopeful that voters are really getting to that point. Unfortunately, we don't have a third option available at the moment, but I think this would be the year they could really make some headway if someone were to run.

    Anybody hearing anything about another candidate?

    I remember voting for Kinky Friedman for Governor of Texas once because I didn't like either of the other candidates...but that kind of thing is essentially throwing your vote away. I'd love to see a real third party that had something to offer.

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    ain't no change gonna happen. the pendulum has swung and stuck in favor of the 1%

    Enjoy your academic discussions and fantasies.

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    suit yourself. go read something else if you don't like it.

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    exactly

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    Nobody has a single, tiny suggestion how to Take Our Country Back from the 1%, zero ideas.

    I read that some cities have declarations that Corporate-Americans aren't people, but without Federal law and extreme right-wing activist pro-business/anti-human SCOTUS overturning C-U, ain't nothing gonna change.

    In the Greatest Country In The Universe EVER, 100s of cities are tearing down their lamp posts because they can't pay the electricity.

    The median income for a worker is $26K/year, $13/hour, no benefits, no vacation, no sick pay, no group insurance. 50% of workers are working poor.

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    Nobody has a single, tiny suggestion how to Take Our Country Back from the 1%, zero ideas.
    Once I figure out how to take it back from the 47%, I might focus on the 1%.

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    The median income for a worker is $26K/year, $13/hour, no benefits, no vacation, no sick pay, no group insurance. 50% of workers are working poor.
    Has anyone ever told you that you have an en lement mentality?

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    In the Greatest Country In The Universe EVER, 100s of cities are tearing down their lamp posts because they can't pay the electricity.
    If they're really losing money, wouldn't it be cheaper to just leave them off?

    Oh, and also, could you hook us up with a link?

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    In the Greatest Country In The Universe EVER, 100s of cities are tearing down their lamp posts because they can't pay the electricity.
    lol

    So it is all the more remarkable that, in what appears to be a spreading trend, dozens of cities and towns across America - from California and Oregon to Maine - are contemplating significantly reducing the number of street lamps to lower their hefty electric bills. In some communities, utility companies have already torn posts from the ground. Faced with several million dollars in unpaid bills, Highland Park, Mich., has lost two-thirds of its lamps, whereas officials in Rockford, Ill., have extinguished as many as 2,300, or 16 percent of all the city's streetlights.
    I also missed the part where *hundreds* of cities can't pay their electricity bills. Link?

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    the trend is just getting started. America in permanent decline thanks to Repug/conservative "principles".

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    Cool, so you don't have any evidence. Thanks!

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    there's plenty evidence. Keep whistling past the graveyard

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    Has anyone ever told you that you have an en lement mentality?
    Yes, WC, someone who complains about $13 an hour has an en lement mentality. Granted some of them do, but it pales in comparison to the 1% get away with.

    Nevermind those "unlucky" bankers getting bailed out with everyones dollars, including yours for their catastrophic failures and continue a to live a undeserved yacht using lifestyle. Those people making ends-meat and physically working are so much worse.

    The funny thing is that WC and many like him think they have integrity or some other self proclaimed value, while most of the top1% of wealthy in this country think he's just another dumb fool, easily moved into their cause via a few kick backs just to keep them just happy enough.

    You'll notice only 10% of whites owned slaves pre-civil war, but they sure got a lot more of people to fight to death, while they as slave-owners claimed exemptions for being too important to fight or die.

    Not much different than average chicken hawks today.... and today just as then a whole bunch of fools support them.

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    Last week, the IRS released a report on the estimated "tax gap," or money that people legally owe in taxes but evade paying.


    For 2006 (the most recent year calculated), the gap stood at $450 billion, an increase from 2001's estimated tax gap of $345 billion.


    Keep in mind, this isn't money people legally avoid paying by using tax shelters like an IRA or 401(k). This is tax revenue illegally unpaid thanks to things like offshore bank accounts and unreported cash receipts from businesses.


    The IRS only issues these reports every five years, and each report details just one year. But let's use some assumptions. Assume 2001's tax gap of $345 billion was reflective of the 2001-2005 period, and 2006's $450 billion gap was reflective of the 2006-2011 period. In total, that's $4.4 trillion in lost tax revenue over the last decade.


    Now, this is a rough estimate at best. I used the IRS' old data last year to estimate the decade's loss from tax evasion at $3 trillion. The real figure, which is almost impossible to know, is probably somewhere between $3 trillion and $5 trillion. Either way, what I wrote last year holds true:
    Put that money in perspective. Tax evasion in the last decade cost an amount roughly equivalent to the Bush tax cuts, the Obama stimulus, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan... combined. It's amazing more people aren't outraged about this stuff. Rather, they likely would be if they knew about it.
    As long as there are taxes, there will be tax evasion. It will never be eradicated. The question is whether the tax gap can reasonably be reduced from current levels.


    If it can, we're not trying hard enough. As David Cay Johnston recently wrote in Reuters, the IRS' budget is being cut by 5%, which will likely increase tax evasion through fewer enforcement officers. He explained:
    IRS data show that auditors assigned to the 14,000 or so largest corporations found $9,354 of additional tax owed for every hour spent testing tax returns in the 2009 fiscal year. The highest-paid IRS auditors make $71 an hour. Based on a 2,080-hour work year, that works out to around $19 million of lost revenue annually for every senior corporate auditor position cut from the payroll.
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    didn't read anything, I see. you're as bad as WC and DarrinS.
    you are just realizing this??

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    Has anyone ever told you that you have an en lement mentality?
    WC with the uppercut to the ribcage.

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    you are just realizing this??
    hardly, but boutons needs the reminder

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