It's been beaten to death but I'm going to beat it some more (haha). How can he even be on the court? How can Pop not see Bonner's crappy defense and no rebounding? Seriously. Whatever 3's he hits are more than offset by his man scoring on him or another Spur having to leave his man to help Bonner and give up a putback. Really. How can Pop not see this? Why does he play him so many gd minutes. I'm sure every team has "that" player that the fans about. But in most cases, it's 50/50 and the guy has some redeeming quality that at some has to begrudgingly be acknowledged. But Bonner?!?!?!!!? Anyone??!?!?! And he's not just getting time to give someone a rest. He was in for long stretches of critical time last night.
At least Pop got his act together for the OT period.
At this point even Thomas deserves to be ahead of Bonner in the rotation. The one thing Bonner did to earn playing time was hit 3's against sub .500 teams in January. This season he's shooting below 35% from behind the arc.
He's just beyond awful, and at this point I'd rather he get amnestied over RJ.
This. At least Jefferson is showing signs of coming around. When he is playing well, his defense is passable, and his shot looks great. It would be nice if he could drive to the basket more because he's getting paid way to much too be a very poor man's Bruce Bowen, but he at least could have a place on the team.
When Bonner is not shooting great from three, he's nothing but a liability. And I'm not talking about shooting "well". 35% for most players is pretty acceptable. But for Bonner, he needs to be shooting lights out (40%+) just to justify being out there on the court, because like the OP said, what he generally brings in offense, he usually gives right back in defense (or lack thereof). Right now, he is nothing but a black hole on the court. Players target him when he is defending them, and all those missed threes just become long rebounds for opposing teams to leak out on the break with. He can't rebound, he can't defend, he can't run, he can't create...and right now, he can't even shoot. How is this guy still getting playing time?
Dude has got to go. Even when he plays his role well, he's still a problem on the court. And right now, he's not even playing his role well.
When Novak was here we asked could Novak be Bonner? The reality is Bonner is just like Novak and should not see anymore than 5-8 minutes per game like a Novak.
Bonner plays hard, an It's not his fault he just sucks. But ask yourselves, how many points did scola score on Bonner? Bonner does move his feet well, an he sucks so he get calls called on him that other don't. Bonner can just bump someone an he get a foul called on him an since he's not strong enough they finish at the rim with a and1. But all the Bonner hate is crazy around here. I'm sure when he goes on his hot streaks, half of you'll be wishing you'll had a Bonner jersey on a red wig.
Are you crazy? It's not Bonner's fault he sucks and gets called for fouls easily since he plays awkward, but let's play him anyway?
I will try to dig up the stats of opponent's FG% vs Bonner, but I wouldn't be surprised if it tops that of when the opposing player is left wide open.
And the Bonner hate isn't insane at all, he's having the worst season of his career so far. He still averages a whopping 17 minutes per game. Malcolm Thomas should be taking half those minutes to start.
Oh...I didn't realize someone was covering Scola last night. Huh.
And you're wrong. When/if he goes on a hot streak, we will all groan in concert knowing that it guarantees he will get even more time.
The only person who did well against Scola was Tiago.
I'm impressed with Tiago's defense. His foortwork and ability to stay in front of the quicker big men is suprising to me. Not to mention the blocks. He's one of the bright spots this year for sure. And really makes Pop look foolish for not playing him against Memphis last year.
Meh Scola lit Tiago up as soon as he subbed into the game. But he did make Luis make some really ridiculous shots that he always seems to hit against us.
Blair, as usual, gambled way too much in defending him and got burned for doing so.
I thought Timmy did the best job on Scola but the dude just hits ridiculous junk whenever he plays against us. He'd be a hall of fame if he only had to play the Spurs every night.
Imagine how good the Spurs could be if they ever had the opportunity to get a Scola-like player.
Matty is the centerpiece! STFU now...Tiago was injured all 82 games last season....
Timmy needs someone to spread the floor for him because Timmy has not dropped off since 1999.
Are you guys blind?
You've just inspired me...
Timmy needs someone to spread the floor for him because Timmy has not dropped off since 1999.
Are you guys blind?
you watch the game, u can actually see bonner plays really hard, he plays at +110% but thats just not enough against players who are playin below scrub level just coasting the season yet he still gets outplayed by scrubs
What's with the china?
its funny to see how opposing bigs treat bonner as if he's not even there
On a serious note I think he is limited by some kind of injury
Yes, he suffers from Whiteness.
That's funny, ................ you bigot!
Matt is an asset to the team. He actually is an adequate team defender and rebounder. He knows the system and doesn't make many mistakes in rotations or play executions. He doesn't turn the ball over. He doesn't try to do more than he can, he shares the ball if his shot isn't there. And on offense he has to be accounted for by the other team's defense, which makes them work. He will pop the three on a kickout if his man drops off to challenge a dribble drive, or if he's closed out on he is increasingly able to ball fake and drive for a floater or a baby hook, and his man knows this, so he won't challenge. This really helps to open up the lanes. And, he's completely over himself, in fact he always was, which is really important to be a Spur. There's a reason the Spurs are paying him. They are actually smarter than you about this.
He's really not comparable to Tiago, two very different sets of capabilities they bring when they're out there.
Compared to Novak, Bonner is very superior. Novak is nowhere near an adequate defender or rebounder, and his 3 point shooting is somewhat better than Bonner's (he's able to get his shot off quicker for example), but not THAT much better.
He is just awful how many put backs does Pop have to see before he pulls him? And bonner is terrible defending the PNR. He should only be used if he's having a great shooting night and still only a few minutes at a time.
Matt, get off your computer and work on your shooting please!Matt is an asset to the team. He actually is an adequate team defender and rebounder. He knows the system and doesn't make many mistakes in rotations or play executions. He doesn't turn the ball over. He doesn't try to do more than he can, he shares the ball if his shot isn't there. And on offense he has to be accounted for by the other team's defense, which makes them work. He will pop the three on a kickout if his man drops off to challenge a dribble drive, or if he's closed out on he is increasingly able to ball fake and drive for a floater or a baby hook, and his man knows this, so he won't challenge. This really helps to open up the lanes. And, he's completely over himself, in fact he always was, which is really important to be a Spur. There's a reason the Spurs are paying him. They are actually smarter than you about this.
He's really not comparable to Tiago, two very different sets of capabilities they bring when they're out there.
Compared to Novak, Bonner is very superior. Novak is nowhere near an adequate defender or rebounder, and his 3 point shooting is somewhat better than Bonner's (he's able to get his shot off quicker for example), but not THAT much better.
Get real. Have a real discussion or shut up.
The real question about Bonner is, "compared to what?" What is the option you are suggesting other than Bonner that would be better? Just dumping on Bonner because he's not as good as some other people that the Spurs can't get for his price is not helpful.
It's not Tiago, they are different and used for different reasons.
Yes, we all know Bonner is not a strong on-ball defender. But how many people are in this league are, who are also an offensive presence? I think they're called all-stars or near-all-stars. We all know Bonner is not that. At least Bonner doesn't completely bail out and swipe at the ball or keep his hands down, like some others who shall remain nameless on the Spurs and who are a big reason why their defense sucks balls so far. He at least puts up SOME resistance and does the basic fundamentals like keeping his position and getting his hands up and blocking out after the shot. Unlike some (coff James Anderson coff).
Please tell me what reson Bonner is used for? Then tell me if it's been effective. If not, it's time to try something different. Not keep playing him hoping that it's going to suddenly work. It's been long enough. Yes, Bonner and Tiago are different and do different things. But Tiago's strengths help the team far more than Bonner's. While Bonner's weaknesses hurt the team far more than Tiago's.
Seriously, are you trolling?
Matt Bonner puts up about as much resistance as a cardboard cutout of Matt Bonner. You are correct that he keeps his hands up, but that's it. He's rarely in the right position, he leaves his man to try to "help" all the time which usually leads to easy buckets for who he should be guarding because he doesn't have the footspeed to recover, and he's terrible at boxing out. Even when he tries, guys usually just leap over him for the board or knock it away from him.
Standing in the paint and putting your hands straight up in the air ≠ defense.
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