Grades: Spurs vs. Suns - Jan. 15

[Mel_13]

Mel_13, are you in the habit of creating false quotes?

I do not recall saying "why play Tim more minutes then Splitter".

Really?

Alright, I have a question Spurstalk:

Do you think it is possible that Pop was giving TD more exposure against the Suns due to the Allstar voting?

Yes yes, I know, Pop would NEVER admit to that, but take a look at the situation a bit closer and it could be true.

A nationally televised game would give Tim a chance to show that he can still be effective despite his low points/rebounds thus far.

As many of you mentioned here, Tiago was looking very good, but Pop froze him out by leaving him on the bench. I would make the arguement that while TD looked vintage on offense, his defense was terrible. It wasn't until Tiago left the game that Gortat went off. Tiago was clearly playing much better defense on Gortat.

Look folks, there isn't anyone on these boards that has more respect for TD than me, but his defense looked really bad.

While it is easy to make sense of Parker playing heavy minutes due to Neal and TJ being out, why play Tim more minutes than Splitter, who was looking great on both ends of the court. All of this while playing a weak Suns team, and a road trip coming up where you will need more production from Tim?

Like I said, I know Pop would never admit to it, but...I can see it.

[callo1]

Did you take it out of context or quote the entire post?

Is it really that hard?

Really?

[Mel_13]

Alright, I have a question Spurstalk:

Do you think it is possible that Pop was giving TD more exposure against the Suns due to the Allstar voting?

Yes yes, I know, Pop would NEVER admit to that, but take a look at the situation a bit closer and it could be true.

A nationally televised game would give Tim a chance to show that he can still be effective despite his low points/rebounds thus far.

As many of you mentioned here, Tiago was looking very good, but Pop froze him out by leaving him on the bench. I would make the arguement that while TD looked vintage on offense, his defense was terrible. It wasn't until Tiago left the game that Gortat went off. Tiago was clearly playing much better defense on Gortat.

Look folks, there isn't anyone on these boards that has more respect for TD than me, but his defense looked really bad.

While it is easy to make sense of Parker playing heavy minutes due to Neal and TJ being out, why play Tim more minutes than Splitter, who was looking great on both ends of the court. All of this while playing a weak Suns team, and a road trip coming up where you will need more production from Tim?

Like I said, I know Pop would never admit to it, but...I can see it.

Really?

Happy now?

[callo1]

Really?

Happy now?

Yes actually.

[manufan10]

When did the idiot Spurs fans come out from hiding? They have to be trolling, right?

[Mel_13]

Yes actually.

Good.

Care to answer the question?

Do you seriously believe Pop should have taken minutes from Tim and given them to Tiago?

[callo1]

When did the idiot Spurs fans come out from hiding? They have to be trolling, right?

How courteous and exhaustive of a response there.

You seriously think TD was playing better defense than Tiago in that game?

Look, I never said that Tiago was the better player, or had the higher basketball IQ, I simply pointed out that I found it odd that Tim got so many minutes and Tiago got so few.

In the context of the game and situation, I think it is a resonable question.

By all means, just continue to be one of the handfull on these boards that post one-line responses attacking a person rather than answering a post...how genuine!!

Grats to you...its cool though, you got the post count up right?

[manufan10]

How courteous and exhaustive of a response there.

You seriously think TD was playing better defense than Tiago in that game?

Look, I never said that Tiago was the better player, or had the higher basketball IQ, I simply pointed out that I found it odd that Tim got so many minutes and Tiago got so few.

In the context of the game and situation, I think it is a resonable question.

By all means, just continue to be one of the handfull on these boards that post one-line responses attacking a person rather than answering a post...how genuine!!

Grats to you...its cool though, you got the post count up right?

getting butt hurt when the comment wasn't directed at you, but in general.

[callo1]

Good.

Care to answer the question?

Do you seriously believe Pop should have taken minutes from Tim and given them to Tiago?

Actually, I asked the question originally, but you have done nothing but fail to logically answer it, but sure, why not, I will answer your question.

In a shortened season with back-to-back-to-backs, an east coast road trip looming, while trying to develop young talent and building a big lead against a weak team at home?.....hmmm.....yes.

[callo1]

getting butt hurt when the comment wasn't directed at you, but in general.

Post a real response then.

No, I don't get "butt hurt" by people who use the term "butt hurt"...I set my aim a bit higher..but thank you for your concern.

[Mel_13]

Actually, I asked the question originally, but you have done nothing but fail to logically answer it, but sure, why not, I will answer your question.

In a shortened season with back-to-back-to-backs, an east coast road trip looming, while trying to develop young talent and building a big lead against a weak team at home?.....hmmm.....yes.

30:41
24 pts
11 reb
4 assists
2 blocks
1 steal

Go ahead. Make the case that Tiago should have played more than Tim.

[callo1]

30:41
24 pts
11 reb
4 assists
2 blocks
1 steal

Go ahead. Make the case that Tiago should have played more than Tim.

Simple actually, had you ever read my original post, I would not have to answer though.

All of those stats mean nothing, when TD gave it all up on the other end to Gortat. You can take numbers and make them tell you anything you want.

Did TD or Tiago play better defense on Gortat?

Do the Spurs need to continue to develop Tiago?

Does Pop need to "manage" Timmy's minutes..ala Pop himself?

This is the crux of my original post.

[Mel_13]

Simple actually, had you ever read my original post, I would not have to answer though.

All of those stats mean nothing, when TD gave it all up on the other end to Gortat. You can take numbers and make them tell you anything you want.

Did TD or Tiago play better defense on Gortat?

Do the Spurs need to continue to develop Tiago?

Does Pop need to "manage" Timmy's minutes..ala Pop himself?

This is the crux of my original post.

I did read your original post.

I don't believe that you made the case for Tiago playing more minutes than Tim.

Clearly you believe that you have.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

[callo1]

I did read your original post.

I don't believe that you made the case for Tiago playing more minutes than Tim.

Clearly you believe that you have.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

I never clearly believed anything, whch is why I made the original post.

I can respect disagreement.

It could be that Pop wanted to make sure and get that Suns game because he thinks the road trip may not go so well? I could see that, but to me it was a bit odd.

In any case, I think the Spurs may get Miami, but the Magic will be tougher due to fatigue, although, if Kawhai and Green continue to play well who knows. Get Howard in early foul trouble and the Spurs can get that game too.

[Mel_13]

I never clearly believed anything, whch is why I made the original post.

I can respect disagreement.

It could be that Pop wanted to make sure and get that Suns game because he thinks the road trip may not go so well? I could see that, but to me it was a bit odd.

In any case, I think the Spurs may get Miami, but the Magic will be tougher due to fatigue, although, if Kawhai and Green continue to play well who knows. Get Howard in early foul trouble and the Spurs can get that game too.

With Manu out and 16 of the next 21 games on the road, it's a pretty good bet that Pop wants to secure every possible win.

Miami/Orlando is a tough b2b and I expect two losses, but there are factors in our favor. Wade will be out in Miami and Orlando will be on the third night of a b2b2b.

[pgardn]

Tim's D was not good. Gortat setting screens for Nash and leaving Parker out to dry was not good. I dont like the fact that we did not stomp them when we had them down.

Tim looked very comfortable away from the basket and overall offensively. But thats half the game. We get all stated up when he pulls a 20-10 like the "old" days. Cant give him an A. The D...I would rather have the D...

[jjktkk]

Don't need to watch games from last year, numbnuts. It's pretty evident how things turned out. Not enough Splitter from the get-go. Although you were quite satisfied while the spurs were amassing piles of regular seaosn victories weren't you? Do you deny this?

I know why your worried. Pop already ruined one future hofer's career in Mahimni, now your worried that Pop will do the same to Splitter.

[Mel_13]

Simple actually, had you ever read my original post, I would not have to answer though.

All of those stats mean nothing, when TD gave it all up on the other end to Gortat. You can take numbers and make them tell you anything you want.

Did TD or Tiago play better defense on Gortat?

Do the Spurs need to continue to develop Tiago?

Does Pop need to "manage" Timmy's minutes..ala Pop himself?

This is the crux of my original post.

Tiago guarded Gortat for 1:44 in the second quarter and 2:38 in the third quarter. Tiago was matched up for the great majority of his time on Robin Lopez.

[therealtruth]

Tiago guarded Gortat for 1:44 in the second quarter and 2:38 in the third quarter. Tiago was matched up for the great majority of his time on Robin Lopez.

The Spurs are wasting Tiago's defense on the other teams bench. He's the best individual post defender because of his mobility and length. If he starts Gortat probably doesn't go for 24 and 15 and the Spurs win in a rout. The Suns really had no one else scoring.

[Mel_13]

The Spurs are wasting Tiago's defense on the other teams bench. He's the best individual post defender because of his mobility and length. If he starts Gortat probably doesn't go for 24 and 15 and the Spurs win in a rout. The Suns really had no one else scoring.

Pure speculation. What isn't speculation is that your suggestion would result in heavy doses of Blair/Bonner.