There is no lineup that Bonner fits into unless you are purposely trying to kill your team's chances of defending/rebounding. He should be nothing more than a garbage time player and some D-League teams would have probably cut him by now for shooting this bad.
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Just to be clear, I don't disagree with most people when they say Bonner should get less minutes (especially compared to Tiago). I'm just saying, if you had to pick one stat to "encapsulate" Bonner's overall performance, FG% is not a good stat to choose.
Use eFG% or TS% if you want a measure of offensive efficiency.
Edit: And just to be crystal clear, effective field goal percentage is not some hokey, arbitrary "model" a la Hollinger PER. It's a mathematical fact.
Well, that's Harlem's point. In order to make up for his defensive deficiencies, he has to have pristine efficiency on offense. He had that last regular season, so it was more debatable back then. But now?
Just doesn't make sense. When Bonner isn't hitting on offense, bench him.
No disagreements there. Given how poor Bonner is on defense, he can't afford to be "middle of the pack" in terms of offensive efficiency. He needs to be shooting lights out to make up for his defensive slack, and he's clearly not doing that. I agree with you and Harlem on that.
The main point of my post was to try and get people to - at minimum - start looking at eFG% and TS% over FG% when trying to assess offensive efficiency.
To begin the season, every positive that Bonner has done can be countered with a number of different things he does negatively.
Bonner is struggling and he knows it. You can tell from his body language, its even more piss poor than last year. Hes hesitating to shoot and should be benched accordingly.
Like I said, if you're the other team you want Matt Bonner on the floor.
I'd look at ways of getting him on the floor if I was the other team. I'd even let him hit a shot or two just so Pop keeps him out there longer. As long as you play him tight most of the game on the 3 point line, it's a great move to keep him on the court and will be a lot more advantageous to your team that it would for the Spurs.
Was it Mark Cuban that said Bonner was a "limo guy"?
Limo Guy - When a player is so bad the opposing team sends a limo to their house to pick them up ensuring they arrive to the game without any problems.
Frankly, this isn't as much an issue during the regular season. But in the playoffs, when coaches keep on running plays over and over through the "weak" spot, it's really a huge problem. And I think that's exactly why you want Tiago to be out there more often now too. You're going to need him on the defense when and if that time comes.
I think it was Barkley or someone on TNT wasn't it? Unless the TNT guys heard that from Cuban? I don't get to watch TNT much so I'm not sure.
It's a sound strategy to get Bonner on the court and keep him there as long as possible. I'm totally baffled why Pop keeps doing it, because it's not for the good of the Spurs. It almost always works out to the other teams advantage if you keep him off the 3 point line.
I know one justification is that Bonner subs for Blair and that Splitter subs for Duncan.
I kind of want to see Splitter and Duncan at the same time though. Our lack of big men really hurt us in this scenario because I'd hate to see Bonner and Blair on the court at the same time.
I know he sucks. But playing 3 big men rotation (undersize, old and practicly rookie) + smallball isnt better, believe me.
Thats actually the problem, but Pop overused Bonner last year, even though the Spurs still had Dice.
The whole "he comes in for Duncan" argument is silly. Matt was paired with Tim, Blair and Tiago this season. If Pop wants to play Tiago for 30 mins, paired with whoever, there's no reason he couldn't do it. So far, he just don't want to do it.
I'm still waiting for Bonner to get a little nasty. A little Laimbeer. Foul hard. Some elbow-to-rib action when the ref isn't looking. Discomfortablization!
Even if Bonner is shooting lights out it's not going to help in the playoffs. Tiago's defense and ability to draw fouls and put pressure on the other frontcourt will.
If any other coach was relying on Bonner so much they would have been fired by now. Other coaches like JVG have pretty much said he's not a rotation player. You need more talent so a guy like Bonner stays at the end of the bench where he belongs.
Hoping for Mcdyess to come out of retirement, or Spurs going after Kenyon Martin, or we absouletly poke a team in the eyes who think Bonner can help there team out via trade.
Besides that I have not really given Bonner that much of a hard time, but he has been horrible this year, so I have finally jumped on Bonner hating bandwagon.
100% agree. I wouldn't have played him at all last year. It left a really bitter taste to last season.
It fails to take situations into account, which is how you end up with a guy who can only hit threes when the team is up by double digits as your first big off the bench.
Waiting for Kaman. He`s gonna be waived
Because he's only got one translatable skill, we all know that when he's not hitting those 3pt shots, he's utterly useless - on bothe ends of the court. , he can even be useless when he is hitting shots - especially when he's giving up the same to the man he's guarding on the other end.
I don't care if Bonner does know the system, I personally don't believe he should be even playing in front of Malcolm Thomas. I'd much rather take a guy that throws himself into the fray, rebounds, plays defense and block shots over a gutless, low-skilled, mentally-weak, one-trick pony.
I still can't remember why in the they re-upped this fool.
If you look at any of my stat threads, I use eFG% as my primary source for shooting percentages, I agree it's a more accurate tool(I also prefer it over TS%)..I used conventional FG% in this case, because it's easier to do a quick google search on my phone..
Bonner's eFG%, along with virtually all his other advanced stats, are all significantly worse than last year, so far..so, the point remains the same..
This is actually a part of the problem. When he is not hitting the 3s he does virtually nothing on the floor.
Looking eFG% is not a bad thing to measure the quality of your production But the quan y also matters.
Bonner is 11th in pts/min, 11th in ast/min and 7th in rbd/min.
With these volumes, he would need to be utterly efficient to deserve his playing time.
This is good. Bonner is going to go on his tear later in the year and save his best for the playoffs.
Nice to know about eFG% but having your PF sitting out on the perimeter will rarely result in an offensivive rebound and extra possession. This furthur negates Bonner's effectiveness.
I'd also love to know what Bonner's "eFG%" is during the postseason when teams are playing that much harder defense and closing out every shooter.
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