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  1. #26
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    Oh, no. Barnes is a starter now.

    It's a problem.
    You have used Barnes really well since we dumped that .

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    O & 44!!! Now, go back &
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    You have used Barnes really well since we dumped that .
    tee, hee. O & 43!

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    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
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    I'm not here to rub salt into wounds, or, to redden any asses. Just wanted to stop in and check some balloon knots.

    I'll go back upstairs now.

    Chow!

  4. #29
    O & 44!!! Now, go back &
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    I'm not here to rub salt into wounds, or, to redden any asses. Just wanted to stop in and check some balloon knots.

    I'll go back upstairs now.

    Chow!
    I'm a trend setter.

    I set trends.

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    Oh, no. I win in public. I can lose in the same state.

    No, I don't see a contender here, but, it's early. Just hope between now and the playoffs Kobe doesn't commit an act of sabotage. Anything can happen in the playoffs.

    Gasol is lifeless and Fish just can't do it any longer. Barnes is not a starter and Kobe is in boundless rage.

    It's a problem.
    Pau concerns me. His shooting and passing have returned, but he seems to have lost any ability to backdown and score on the block. I get some of it is paint congestion due to Andrew, but no excuse for when he plays with the 2nd unit or even the first team if Bynum is our with foul trouble. Jumpshots come and go, but he is not using a very important part of his skillset. I to would liek Kobe to shoot 3-5 times less but when he gives it to Pau on the block he just kicks out after wasting 6-8 seconds "reading" the defense.

    Morris is too young, Fisher too old. PG's must be licking their lips looking at game tape.
    Artest was OK tonight but he has yet to deliver much consistently defensively or offensively since Game 7 ...
    Barnes OK but should not be a starter ...
    Happy with Murphy and Mcroberts but they are role players nothing more ...
    Bynum can do more but his bball IQ needs work ...

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    Lakers still have the best 4 and 5 in the NBA, and by virtue of that, are contenders. Kobe needs to be less selfish and worry more about wins than climbing up the all-time scoring leaderboard.

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    I thought the Lakers played well on offense today... despite the Kobe chuckfest... I still think Bynum just isn't used enough, but today wasn't as costly...

    The inability to make stops when it matters is really what screwed the Lakers today.

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    Lakers still have the best 4 and 5 in the NBA, and by virtue of that, are contenders. Kobe needs to be less selfish and worry more about wins than climbing up the all-time scoring leaderboard.
    smh

  9. #34
    O & 44!!! Now, go back &
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    PG's must be licking their lips looking at game tape.
    Artest was OK tonight but he has yet to deliver much consistently defensively or offensively since Game 7 ...
    Barnes OK but should not be a starter
    Bynum can do more but his bball IQ needs work ...
    Bynum, like Gasol is not mentally correct. They're angry at Kobe and he won't acknowledge it because he's angry at Kupchak and Buss.

    It's not good. And is going to get worse in all probability.

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    Bynum, like Gasol is not mentally correct. They're angry at Kobe and he won't acknowledge it because he's angry at Kupchak and Buss.

    It's not good. And is going to get worse in all probability.
    I agree with this. Good take, Cub.

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    I couldn't give two s ...who is mad at who.

    For the play the right way types, I do agree that getting Bynum more shots (pau had the ball plenty but chose to pass) would be smart for Kobe (and Brown) to do ...

    But that might get us a few more wins like against Sacto or tonight. But it would NOT make us contenders. Neither Brown nor Kobe are miracle workers ...

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    I agree with this. Good take, Cub.
    The anger and resentment is almost palpable. Kobe is a great at being a good time Charley, but, at barrel's bottom he's a living nightmare. God only knows what he'll do and is capable of. His only PERSONAL salvation at this point and into the foreseeable future is point piling. If he didn't have that he'd probably rampage Postal style.

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    I guess where DPG and mid and I disagree is we trade lets say Manu and Kobe Drew and Pau get more shots and maybe we get a few more regular season wins (debatable) but that doesnt make this team legit contenders.

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    They have a post-triangle learning curve. It's not going to happen overnight with no pre-season. How was it before when Phil left and they ran something other than the triangle?

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    O & 44!!! Now, go back &
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    I couldn't give two s ...who is mad at who.
    But, it's obviously deep, Killa and may be ingrained now. They look not much different than when Dallas was dismantling them.

    The air was never cleared from my recollection since that Dallas series when Bynum blew up.

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    Kobe passing it more will change the fact this team is old, slow, and can't shoot

    The Lakers are now what the Spurs have been since 2008. Playoff fodder

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    Killa, that is an indictment on Kobe then. If He's as great as you claim and he can't be a contender with two top 10 bigs it's on him.

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    They have a post-triangle learning curve. It's not going to happen overnight with no pre-season. How was it before when Phil left and they ran something other than the triangle?
    the rudy t years? it was garbage. but that was a personel issue. the personel is better here but this team cant make a jumpshot. teams zone the paint. and the other issue is the team hasnt practiced at all. tough to learn the offense like that

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    They have a post-triangle learning curve. It's not going to happen overnight with no pre-season. How was it before when Phil left and they ran something other than the triangle?
    I said we are better than the last 3 games ..

    This is my problem honestly, DPG. Last year's team (admittedly tired) got swept in the 2nd round. We subtract PJ, Odom, Brown, and Blake (for now) and add MB, Mcroberts, Murphy, Kapono and Morris (for now) ...

    How is this team better? To me a team swept in the 2nd round is NOT a legit contender ...maybe this year we win a few games but we are not le ready.

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    Because I believe there are grey areas and that LA is a mentally fragile team. That doesn't mean they can't win like that. They have before w Pau and Drew. They aren't favorites but the west is weaker and they have Kobe + 2 top 10 bigs.

    Last year is somewhat unimportant because a lot of teams are weaker.

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    Killa, that is an indictment on Kobe then. If He's as great as you claim and he can't be a contender with two top 10 bigs it's on him.
    Maybe it is, I'm not going to debate his greatness. Is Duncan or Manu not great because of (8)? that is a silly argument. We are a above average team with a top 5 player and some very skilled but slow bigs. Our deep shooting is crap, and we have few players that can penetrate.

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    I am not redwood DJ Mbenga's Avatar
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    Lakers still have the best 4 and 5 in the NBA, and by virtue of that, are contenders. Kobe needs to be less selfish and worry more about wins than climbing up the all-time scoring leaderboard.
    you mean collectively or individually? either way im not so sure. if they are good they havent played well. been outrebounded the last 7 games. 7 footers should rebound

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    Because I believe there are grey areas and that LA is a mentally fragile team. That doesn't mean they can't win like that. They have before w Pau and Drew. They aren't favorites but the west is weaker and they have Kobe + 2 top 10 bigs.

    Last year is somewhat unimportant because a lot of teams are weaker.
    the supporting cast is simply awful. im not talking kobe's cast i mean the support of kobe pau bynum. the only guy i could see making another nba squad is barnes and mcroberts. everyone else would be lucky to be in the Dleague.

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    you mean collectively or individually? either way im not so sure. if they are good they havent played well. been outrebounded the last 7 games. 7 footers should rebound
    Howard and Anderson may not be better on paper but they have been way more effective. Griffin and Jordan have been more impactful lately as well ..

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