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Mid-80s Bird was a better basketball player than mid-80s Jordan, and it's primarily due to him being "smarter" and "wiser."
Oh yeah, even the 63 point game MJ lost to Bird and Celts ...but it did bring Bird to say ... "i believe God was disguised as Mike Jordan today" ...
I'm not even a big MJ but only stat lovers could watch them two play even back then, and conclude Bird was better. Maybe Bird was smarter, wiser but MJ was already better he just needed help, every great player does ...
Mid-80s Bird was a better basketball player than mid-80s Jordan, and it's primarily due to him being "smarter" and "wiser."
He could have shot more 3's if he wanted to
Bird recently said that he preferred the midrange game and mix it up in the paint
He thinks that today a lot of players fall in love with the 3.
And to be fair, there was no zone D in the NBA back then
I wrote an article once (in 2004) bashing Carlisle about campaigning (by handing out flyers to us in the media) to get Ron Artest the DPOY award. It even had stuff broken down by stops by possession, etc. It was B.S. I even said that Pop had said it was B.S. So then Rick Carlisle called in the local radio station here in S.A. defending himself. And he called me "That girl with the microphone by her radio." Then I called after he was off the air, and responded. Then everyone at SpursTalk laughed.
Then... several months later. timvp and I were at summer league. And Carlisle and Bird were there scouting, and they were sitting like 10 feet from us, talking about me (it was obvious). So when I walked by, Bird laughed and winked at me.
Bird was a boss back then and MJ was green ...
But it's just like Those that argue Wade & Kobe over Lebron. they are wiser more skilled but Lebron is just so far ahead of those two physically when he does it will be over ...
And him having one of the greatest supporting casts in NBA history.
I can understand why Bird was such an angry person after his dad shot himself. Still, he didn't turn out to be much better, abandoning his kid.
Was it painful?
Bird did make people around him better, though.
Yeah, add that to my list why I don't like him.
Great player, though.
Yes
When Bird had that big impact on the Celtics in his rookie season, he didnt have Parrish, McHale, DJ and Ainge yet
When Bird retired, the Celtics's record the next season significantly dropped
True, but give Jordan a cast of McHale, Parish, D. Johnson, Ainge, Walton, and Wedman and you might as well cancel Christmas for the rest of the league from 86-91.
Jordan has a pretty stacked cast during the 3peats, Pippen + great role players like Kerr.
Attempts?
Dominates the GOAT in every category except Kobefan's favorite one.
Its probably because they always use/show the 3pt contest video where he starts celebrating before the last shot even goes in when talking about Bird's career.
See now THAT is a good jab at Kobe ... you noobs take notes.
Bird's prime was before my time as a fan so most of my opinion of his game was formed by the classic NES game Jordan vs. Bird. In addition to the one on one game the game included a slam dunk compe ion (where you played as Jordan) and a three point shootout (which was played as Bird). I probably should have known better than to trust an information source that got me sent to a child psychologist for stomping all those turtles.
Bird, Magic and MJ are all same level of players, neither was better than the other. Magic was the most versatile, but he didn't play defense. MJ was the best scorer and defensive player, but he didn't pass remarkably well. Bird was almost as complete as Magic, the best rebounder by far of the group, played good defense too, but he wasn't that athletic (he could dunk, though).
They are the best PG, SG and SF to play the game.
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Larry Bird was once asked if Michael Jordan was the greatest player he ever saw or knew and he said simply "one of two" refusing to name the other one. Bird may not have been the GOAT but he surely is in the top most tier of all time greats where-ever one draws the line.
I'm not sure this is correct. I recall MJ being a pretty skilled passer. The frequency with which he passed, and his lack of trust in his teammates is what was generally questioned, as opposed to his actual passing ability. IIRC, there was a period where the Bulls started him at PG for a stretch of games and he had a triple-double in every one of them. Don Nelson publicly questioned why the Bulls hadn't done it sooner.
MJ was the best all-around player of the three, no doubt about it. He had by far, the least weaknesses of the three.
IMO, the rankings for those three...
1. MJ
2. Bird
3. Magic
There was a debate?
I'm a Dirk fan, top 10 player of all time (bumped Kirby off the 10 spot with his amazing run last year) but he's not on Bird's level.
any list that is outside of Boston that looks like this is crap. Magic won 3 out of 4 head to head college and pros. Sure Bird had some great numbers and was an amazing player but Magic was better. PERIOD. only players since 1980's that can be argued greater realistaically are MJ and Kareem.
Lol stacked Michigan State team against Bird and bunch of no names. Head-to-head, they typically played each other to a draw. As for careers, Bird had a higher peak, but Magic had a more consistent career across the board.
And the head-to-head would be 2 a piece if you guys managed to make it to the Finals in '86.
This i agree with ...
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