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I'm fairly sick of so called fans who make post after post bagging on Coach Pop. He has coached us to 4 les. Sure we would all like more, but tell me how any other coach could do better with any of the teams pop has put on the court. He has always won with far less talent than most Championship coaches. Everyone seems to blame him for our front office's inep ude at upgrading this roster. You act as if he makes the decisions and trades the players.
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You can't be serious.
That's my troll, sorry guys
Pop does make most of the decisions regarding the team. He decides the trades, he decides who to draft, etc.
I'm not sure what RC Buford does tbh. Besides introduce the new draft picks and get drunk alot.
We prefer the bandwagon of a team that lost to the 8th seed in the first round.
thebigfundamental21 wouldnt happen to be thefundamental21 troll?
Whatever.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...n.28ce78f.html
Their marriage has been successful, and it has been rocky. They've celebrated the best of times, and they've bickered as if divorce were possible.
They've done it for more than a decade, which is why Gregg Popovich and R.C. Buford likely will stay together a while longer. They are used to each other.
But recent days also suggest they will have a few more things to argue about. Luis Scola showed the Spurs what they had given to Houston, and Beno Udrih showed what Spurs' scouts always thought was possible.
If the Spurs weren't fine right now — with a healthy roster in place to defend a championship — would Popovich and Buford require some counseling?
Money can affect any marriage, and Peter Holt's lack of it does. He ranks at the bottom of NBA owners in personal wealth, with an estimated worth of merely $30 million. Popovich and Buford work within his budget.
That's why moving Jackie Butler meant so much last summer. They had made a mistake on him, and they needed to trade the $5 million they owed him.
The Knicks eat contracts of that size for snacks between depositions. To Holt, everything matters, which is ultimately why the Spurs (http://www.chinaspurs.com) traded Scola to Houston. The Rockets were the only ones willing to take on Butler's contract.
Popovich had to be talked into the deal because it violated one of his rules: Never help a rival.
Shortly after, Scola starred in Vegas in Olympic qualifying, and another of Popovich's rules had been broken: Never make him mad.
The issue subsided when Scola didn't do much to start the season. But then Tracy McGrady went down to injury, and the Rockets began to pass, and Scola put up 20 points against the Spurs last week.
It's early, and the Spurs won the game. But Scola had been everything Popovich loves. He'd been active and tough, and making 10 of 11 shots didn't hurt, either.
Afterward, Popovich praised Scola, which is typical. But then Popovich said something else. "It kills me to have him on that team," Popovich said. "Enough to make you spit."
It was if Popovich was talking to Buford through the media. But his spit-prompting frustration confused. After all, doesn't Popovich have ultimate say in the franchise?
In this marriage, he does and he doesn't. Buford flies around the world, does the research, scouts the talent — and Popovich is often on the outside with no recourse but to second-guess.
And BTW - s who condemn Buford for drinking, and then try and nominate Jerry Sloan for sainthood, really need a reality check.
Pop is not for everyone. Too much carbonation.
To be really honest, I dislike the sonofa intensely. And I get sick of listening to his stupid interviews where he attacks the people who ask the questions, and gives really witty answers like "We didn't score as many points as them". I kind of enjoy listening to other coaches give real, insighful answers to questions - at least once in a while.
But I get just as tired of people saying that he makes his coaching decisions because he has a man-crush on Bonner, or Finley. Or that someone has compromising pictures of him. Or any of the other vapid, mind-rot, pablum that passes for commentary amongst supposed fans.
I get tired of people insisting that he makes all the personnel decisions, when he clearly doesn't. He was more than a little unhappy about the Scola trade. And even though he is part of personnel decisions, he still has to live within Holt's budget.
Argue all you want to. Slam the guy all you want to. But for s sake, at least TRY to get some facts in there somewhere. There's still plenty to complain about without all the mindlessly stupid .
So we must forgive Pop because Holt wanted to sacrifice Scola to save 5 mil, yet he gets a pass on talking Holt into ponying up a combined 55 million for Jefferson and Bonner?
You're effectively telling us us he couldn't convince Holt that Scola was worth 5 mil but he had no problems getting Holt to sign off on & Boner.
Uh, okay. Sure.
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If Pop wasn't so active in personnel decisions, I might have to agree. He is the 4 time champion and figurehead of the Spurs (along with Tim). But reality bites
That's completely unfair.
Scola's first year salary was 2.91 million, not 5.
This is the way to make a point. ^^^^^^^^^
Holt really is a large part of what's dragging the Spurs down. If he can't easily afford to operate an NBA team, he needs to sell the franchise to somebody who can.
Splitter less than 27 minutes per game says hi...
Whose paying Jefferson and Bonner's salaries? You saying Holt couldn't be talked into the importance of retaining Scola at a small cost but could be persuaded to fork out 55 million for two proven playoff chokers?
Somehow I get the feeling is not all just Holt here....
Liking the Spurs and disliking Popovich are not mutually exclusive. People can have their opinions, sheesh.
I like Pop too, but those that don't are en led to their opinion, besides, they are correct that Pop's lineups have been poor. He keeps putting the Bonner/Blair combo in the game and the lead nearly evaporates instantly many times. Splitter plays way too little relative to other players, the aforementioned Bonner/Blair, and we have lost games that were winnable because of this. This has been going on since the 2007 le.
I still am not to pleased thathe rested Timmy vs the Kings, He should have played but only 10 minutes or so, to keep team rhythm.
"Bagging" on Pop, or any other coach of your favorite team doesn't mean you are not a fan, on contrary it means you care about your favorite team, and maybe an even better fan for it.
No... clearly the only must-do things for you are making up, and coming to ridiculously stupid conclusions. You don't know if he could have talked Holt into paying for Scola. You don't know if he had to talk Holt into paying for Jefferson or Bonner. And I never said anything about forgiving Pop for anything. But you've just made a whole series of arguments based on you either don't know, or you made up. And you've told me TWICE that I said things that I didn't say. All in a few sentences. I bet you're fun in the political forum.
As for the original post? I dislike Pop, but I'll stay on whatever bandwagon I want, thanks. What kills me is that, for years, Pop has been trying to force players without the necessary skill set into a rigid system, and people defended him like a genius. Now he's finally adapting the system (somewhat) to the players he actually has, and the same people are calling him an idiot. I'd love to see any of the people ing explain how THEY would turn THIS group of players into a defensive juggernaut like the Championship teams of the past.
Mostly, I'm saying that it's nice to include facts into the opinion process. Here's another old article that's worth reading, if you didn't see it the first time. People always talk about Pop being responsible for ALL the personnel decisions, and about how he is responsible for the influx of foreign players. In fact, Don and Donnie Nelson were at least as involved, as were Buford and Presti. , the Spurs came close to drafting Lucas Victoriano instead of Manu Ginobili. (The only reason Buford recommended Manu instead is because he didn't think there was any way Pop would play a foreign point guard. And he was right - Pop didn't want anything to do with Tony Parker. Buford had to talk him into even looking at him.
Everybody is en led to any opinion they want. I just wish that they (some more than others) would at least ATTEMPT to blend in a little fact with their fantasy.
Here's the article. Sorry it had to come from Chinaspurs dotcom. I don't think the Express Snooze has it up anymore. http://www.chinaspurs.com/forum/arch...hp/t-7782.html
You're right, we'll probably never know the exact intimate details of how or why the decision making has ended up becoming so FUBAR in the spurs organization.No... clearly the only must-do things for you are making up, and coming to ridiculously stupid conclusions. You don't know if he could have talked Holt into paying for Scola. You don't know if he had to talk Holt into paying for Jefferson or Bonner. And I never said anything about forgiving Pop for anything. But you've just made a whole series of arguments based on you either don't know, or you made up. And you've told me TWICE that I said things that I didn't say. All in a few sentences. I bet you're fun in the political forum.
As for the original post? I dislike Pop, but I'll stay on whatever bandwagon I want, thanks. What kills me is that, for years, Pop has been trying to force players without the necessary skill set into a rigid system, and people defended him like a genius. Now he's finally adapting the system (somewhat) to the players he actually has, and the same people are calling him an idiot. I'd love to see any of the people ing explain how THEY would turn THIS group of players into a defensive juggernaut like the Championship teams of the past.
But I'm telling you the cold hard facts of what we do know has happened (in the past 5 years) doesn't make a very strong or compelling case for Popovich being completely off the hook. It's hard to fathom that Holt would suddenly change his miserly ways back in 2008 to suddenly emptying out his bank account for a couple of underachievers. Just doesn't make sense.
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