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    You're right, we'll probably never know the exact intimate details of how or why the decision making has ended up becoming so FUBAR in the spurs organization.

    But I'm telling you the cold hard facts of what we do know has happened (in the past 5 years) doesn't make a very strong or compelling case for Popovich being completely off the hook. It's hard to fathom that Holt would suddenly change his miserly ways back in 2008 to suddenly emptying out his bank account for a couple of underachievers. Just doesn't make sense.
    I'll tell you the truth, TJastal - and this time I'm not being sarcastic. One of the things I love about this world is that people have the ability to surprise me. I totally agree - Pop is far from completely off the hook.

    Personally, I tend to think that Holt's sudden willingness to tap the bank account for Jefferson was more of a knee-jerk reaction to the realization that he had let a gem slip away in Luis Scola. Yeah he wanted to get another le with Duncan, but I think he realized that being cheap might have cost him that opportunity, so he made the decision not to cheap out the next time. I don't know if that's right. But like I've said before, I've found that people usually aren't just totally random. What I've never been able to imagine is how any of the Spurs' FO could not recognize that Jefferson wasn't a good fit here. The best I've ever come up with is that it was a continuation of the Scola screw-up, and they were just in desperation mode. If that's on Pop, then he screwed the pooch. I've got no problems with that. I just don't know.

    But I feel more confident that Pop is largely responsible for re-signing Jefferson. He worked with him over the summer, and was arrogant enough to believe that he had fixed the problem. The problem was that R.J. is a slasher, and not much of a defender, and Pop wanted him to be a spot-up 3-point shooter and a good defender. Part of a summer working out with Pop wasn't going to make that right. You want a reason to slam Pop, that's one. I'll post another one after I find an article.

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    Here - you want a reason to dislike Pop? Try this one:
    http://www.thatnbalotterypick.com/20...peans-are.html

    Most of you reading this (you, and you, and you) should take a look down at yourself and understand that YOU are one of the people Gregg Popovich detests. You beer-drinking, sports-addicted, overweight, Survivor-watching, gun-owning, truck/SUV-driving, non-European, vermin. The way he looks at the guys asking questions in the post-game, is the same way he looks at most of the fans. He thinks they're uncouth and annoying.

    He gets paid to coach guys who put a little ball through a little hole, and he's ing about the empty American culture? I'm surprised no one but me ever asked why Pop didn't go to beloved Europe to become a coach, or stay here and become a social worker to help this country with its myriad problems? Could it be because European coaches make 10% of what he makes? Or because social workers make 1% of what he makes? He hates the culture, but he's not above pigging up whatever he can make off of it. My thought is, " off, Gregg. The country was fine before you got the microphone, and it will be fine after you're worm food." I've spent enough time in Europe and the Middle East to know that no matter what the coffee pot looks like, there's still black, grimy crap at the bottom. (Or, if that's too obtuse for you - "I've watched European TV, Gregg. The only people you're fooling are the ones who haven't.") If there's a problem with Pop's coaching (and there is), it's wrapped up in that massive ego of his.

    All that being said, it doesn't mean that playing Tiago more is going to turn this squad into a defensive juggernaut. He's better than Blair and Bonner, by far. But unless you can clone him, he's too little, too late.

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    Here - you want a reason to dislike Pop? Try this one:
    http://www.thatnbalotterypick.com/20...peans-are.html

    Most of you reading this (you, and you, and you) should take a look down at yourself and understand that YOU are one of the people Gregg Popovich detests. You beer-drinking, sports-addicted, overweight, Survivor-watching, gun-owning, truck/SUV-driving, non-European, vermin. The way he looks at the guys asking questions in the post-game, is the same way he looks at most of the fans. He thinks they're uncouth and annoying.

    He gets paid to coach guys who put a little ball through a little hole, and he's ing about the empty American culture? I'm surprised no one but me ever asked why Pop didn't go to beloved Europe to become a coach, or stay here and become a social worker to help this country with its myriad problems? Could it be because European coaches make 10% of what he makes? Or because social workers make 1% of what he makes? He hates the culture, but he's not above pigging up whatever he can make off of it. My thought is, " off, Gregg. The country was fine before you got the microphone, and it will be fine after you're worm food." I've spent enough time in Europe and the Middle East to know that no matter what the coffee pot looks like, there's still black, grimy crap at the bottom. (Or, if that's too obtuse for you - "I've watched European TV, Gregg. The only people you're fooling are the ones who haven't.") If there's a problem with Pop's coaching (and there is), it's wrapped up in that massive ego of his.

    All that being said, it doesn't mean that playing Tiago more is going to turn this squad into a defensive juggernaut. He's better than Blair and Bonner, by far. But unless you can clone him, he's too little, too late.
    Holy , that was a hilarious unhinged rant.

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    GSH has lost his mind.

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    8/10... troll setting the stage for epic meltdown, and we have a winner

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    GSH has lost his mind.
    Nah, this is a guy that watches n reruns of second quarters possessions of a regular season game.
    And does internet searches on hundreds of posts to find out 3 he doesn't like.
    He's got plenty of time to waste.

    Lucky guy!

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    Here - you want a reason to dislike Pop? Try this one:
    http://www.thatnbalotterypick.com/20...peans-are.html

    Most of you reading this (you, and you, and you) should take a look down at yourself and understand that YOU are one of the people Gregg Popovich detests. You beer-drinking, sports-addicted, overweight, Survivor-watching, gun-owning, truck/SUV-driving, non-European, vermin. The way he looks at the guys asking questions in the post-game, is the same way he looks at most of the fans. He thinks they're uncouth and annoying.

    He gets paid to coach guys who put a little ball through a little hole, and he's ing about the empty American culture? I'm surprised no one but me ever asked why Pop didn't go to beloved Europe to become a coach, or stay here and become a social worker to help this country with its myriad problems? Could it be because European coaches make 10% of what he makes? Or because social workers make 1% of what he makes? He hates the culture, but he's not above pigging up whatever he can make off of it. My thought is, " off, Gregg. The country was fine before you got the microphone, and it will be fine after you're worm food." I've spent enough time in Europe and the Middle East to know that no matter what the coffee pot looks like, there's still black, grimy crap at the bottom. (Or, if that's too obtuse for you - "I've watched European TV, Gregg. The only people you're fooling are the ones who haven't.") If there's a problem with Pop's coaching (and there is), it's wrapped up in that massive ego of his.

    All that being said, it doesn't mean that playing Tiago more is going to turn this squad into a defensive juggernaut. He's better than Blair and Bonner, by far. But unless you can clone him, he's too little, too late.
    You got it right, this time.
    Damn right.
    That's EXACTLY why I like coach Popovic (no h, at the end).

    Unfortunately, people get old, even a great coach like him ages.
    Check this one out in my records.

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    troll thread took a turn for the awesome

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    Pop is coaching his ass off this year, maybe the best coaching job he's done in years. Who among us would have said when Manu went down and was followed by Ford that we'd be playing above .500? I didn't think we'd win 25% of the games and would be out of contention for a playoff slot. We may still stumble, but damn it we're winning more than we lose and that's remarkable.

    He'd has a team that lost its Superstar heart, backup PG, to injury, and must limit the minutes of his other aging Superstar and MVP PG as leaders of the team.

    Yet he is still winning games with a makeshift lineup using less than average veterans like Bonner, Jefferson and Blair and newbies like Splitter, Green and Neal.

    All of this has to be done on the fly in a season condensed to lots of B2B games with no chance to practice.

    We can argue about some of his decisions, but somewhere in that crafty mind there are reasons for them. He has to take risks with minutes and lineups. Some work. Some don't.

    Any game we win with this team in this situation should get an A from TIMVp. After all, the grades are supposed to be graded on what he has to work with.

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    You guys are mindless in clowns. You echo the flavor of the week, or is that weak? Right now it's Splitter doesn't get enough minutes. Last year it was Splitter is the biggest bust, even 2 weeks into the season the flavor was Splitter is soft and a monumental failure. Now you worship him for one good game. You need to make up your minds. The Splitter I see shows flashes, but is far from ready. The Splitter I see had 3 fouls in under 2 minutes against Miami. Remember, blame Pop. The guy is clearly not perfect, but give me another coach who could do more with what Pop has. I don't see it happening. You kill him for small ball, but the reality of the situation the Spurs hands are tied. And if you really want to whine, Tim Duncan could have opted out and took far less money, more equal to his value. And could have been amnestied, putting us in a GOOD cap situation with money to sign the big man you guys so desperately beg for. Then again I'm a troll.

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    Pop is coaching his ass off this year, maybe the best coaching job he's done in years. Who among us would have said when Manu went down and was followed by Ford that we'd be playing above .500? I didn't think we'd win 25% of the games and would be out of contention for a playoff slot. We may still stumble, but damn it we're winning more than we lose and that's remarkable.

    He'd has a team that lost its Superstar heart, backup PG, to injury, and must limit the minutes of his other aging Superstar and MVP PG as leaders of the team.

    Yet he is still winning games with a makeshift lineup using less than average veterans like Bonner, Jefferson and Blair and newbies like Splitter, Green and Neal.

    All of this has to be done on the fly in a season condensed to lots of B2B games with no chance to practice.

    We can argue about some of his decisions, but somewhere in that crafty mind there are reasons for them. He has to take risks with minutes and lineups. Some work. Some don't.

    Any game we win with this team in this situation should get an A from TIMVp. After all, the grades are supposed to be graded on what he has to work with.
    Whoa there! An actual post that makes sense?

    Pop is coaching a team without a single player even close to being on All-Star level to an 11-7 start and people about why some player plays 5 minutes less than they should. That's what Pop hates about fans and the culture - everyone thinks they know better than the actual coaches and they don't even want to acknowledge the possibility that maybe, just maybe they're not right and the actual coach is.

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    Whoa there! An actual post that makes sense?

    Pop is coaching a team without a single player even close to being on All-Star level to an 11-7 start and people about why some player plays 5 minutes less than they should. That's what Pop hates about fans and the culture - everyone thinks they know better than the actual coaches and they don't even want to acknowledge the possibility that maybe, just maybe they're not right and the actual coach is.
    You have to excuse these posters on here. Just because they spend most of their day on this website they actually think they know basketball.

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    You have to excuse these posters on here. Just because they spend most of their day on this website they actually think they know basketball.
    Sean Elliott played basketball at a much higher level than Pop no?

    Sean sure seems to think Tiago should get more time and touches. I would think that he would have credibility?

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    Sean Elliott played basketball at a much higher level than Pop no?

    Sean sure seems to think Tiago should get more time and touches. I would think that he would have credibility?
    There are people who have been saying Splitter should have been starting from day 1 last year. Pop re ely delayed his development for no apparent reason. If he had been a regular part of the rotation the Grizzlies don't win the first round last year.

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    Sean Elliott played basketball at a much higher level than Pop no?

    Sean sure seems to think Tiago should get more time and touches. I would think that he would have credibility?
    I love Tiago and think he should get more minutes as well. But the 2012 version of Tiago is not the same as last years version. I am still in favor of Blair starting and then bringing in Tiago as his replacement, depending on Blairs play.

    As far as Elliott, he thinks everyone should be getting more minutes...heck he even thinks Anderson deserves time on the floor. There are only 240 minutes to be shared between all five players and only 96 minutes between the 4 and 5. Timmy should get about 30 as well as Tiago and 36 minutes between Bonner and Blair.

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    Here - you want a reason to dislike Pop? Try this one:
    http://www.thatnbalotterypick.com/20...peans-are.html

    Most of you reading this (you, and you, and you) should take a look down at yourself and understand that YOU are one of the people Gregg Popovich detests. You beer-drinking, sports-addicted, overweight, Survivor-watching, gun-owning, truck/SUV-driving, non-European, vermin. The way he looks at the guys asking questions in the post-game, is the same way he looks at most of the fans. He thinks they're uncouth and annoying.

    He gets paid to coach guys who put a little ball through a little hole, and he's ing about the empty American culture? I'm surprised no one but me ever asked why Pop didn't go to beloved Europe to become a coach, or stay here and become a social worker to help this country with its myriad problems? Could it be because European coaches make 10% of what he makes? Or because social workers make 1% of what he makes? He hates the culture, but he's not above pigging up whatever he can make off of it. My thought is, " off, Gregg. The country was fine before you got the microphone, and it will be fine after you're worm food." I've spent enough time in Europe and the Middle East to know that no matter what the coffee pot looks like, there's still black, grimy crap at the bottom. (Or, if that's too obtuse for you - "I've watched European TV, Gregg. The only people you're fooling are the ones who haven't.") If there's a problem with Pop's coaching (and there is), it's wrapped up in that massive ego of his.

    All that being said, it doesn't mean that playing Tiago more is going to turn this squad into a defensive juggernaut. He's better than Blair and Bonner, by far. But unless you can clone him, he's too little, too late.

    Worthy of post of the year! [Have lived and worked and been to some of the same places mentioned above and the rant is classic and right on!]

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