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    No more Reagans in the party of Reagan?

    What a sad state of affairs.
    It hasn't been the party of Reagan for a very long time.

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    I don't see how you can equate a no new taxes position with class warfare...what exactly were you referring to?
    Yeah, that's the only thing they have ever said.

    Republicans are just as guilty of class warfare as Democrats, it's just that you don't want to call it that.

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    It hasn't been the party of Reagan for a very long time.
    when did it stop, in your opinion?

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    It hasn't been the party of Reagan for a very long time.
    Reagan wouldn't win the GOP nomination today.

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    "I can see where the conservatives/republicans prefer individual solutions as opposed to government solutions"

    bull , "class warfare" in Repug mouths is for dishonestly attacking the 99% for ing about the 1%'s highly successful, relentless class warfare on the 99%.

    the Repugs LOVE and DEFEND govt when its policies redistribute wealth from the 99% to the 1%.

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    "I can see where the conservatives/republicans prefer individual solutions as opposed to government solutions"

    bull , "class warfare" in Repug mouths is for dishonestly attacking the 99% for ing about the 1%'s highly successful, relentless class warfare on the 99%.

    the Repugs LOVE and DEFEND govt when its policies redistribute wealth from the 99% to the 1%.
    I was asking the sane adults...

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    I'm not sure that a majority of the people hate the rich. Either way, what a pathetic pandering POS to make class warfare the centerpiece of his campaign.
    I was asking the sane adults...
    it boils down to what happened to our economy, and marcus bryant said it best.

    "any country worth it's own salt would hang these guys by the neck"

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    "any country worth it's own salt would hang these guys by the neck"


    Yeah, I'm not saying I particularly like either side...it just boils down to hocking and spitting and then voting for the one you dislike the least.

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    I don't see how you can equate a no new taxes position with class warfare...what exactly were you referring to?
    Tax cutting is redistribution of wealth on a progressive scale; whoever pays the most, gets the most back.

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    I would imagine you are already aware of how powerful an inducement that can be for well-to-do voters to favor one party over the other. Rational self interest, right?

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    Tax cutting is redistribution of wealth on a progressive scale; whoever pays the most, gets the most back.
    At the same time, they all pay less tax.

    I'm not saying that revenue can be completely ignored in the equation, but I give spending more of the blame for our current economic condition than a lack of revenue.

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    At the same time, they all pay less tax.
    what a Romneyesque thing to say

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    "spending more of the blame for our current economic condition than a lack of revenue."

    not surprised you'd propagate the Repug lie.

    Spending would be

    Repugs subsidizing Medicare advantage,

    Repugs forbidding Medicare/Medicaid to negotiate as single-buyer with BigPharma

    Repugs starting/botching two wars (about $2T worth, and counting)

    Repugs (tax-spending) cutting $1T - $2T in income taxes since 2001.

    The Banksters Great Depression has certainly reduced tax revenues at all levels, but that's still not "spending".

    Try again, liar.

    And tell where you want to cut the "spending".

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    At the same time, they all pay less tax.

    I'm not saying that revenue can be completely ignored in the equation, but I give spending more of the blame for our current economic condition than a lack of revenue.
    But the problem with your position, CC, as I see it, is that the majority party in the House DOES ignore the revenue side of the equation in their pledges to Grover Norquist, so compromise from the other side (en lement reform) looks like a cave in, so nothing at all gets done.

    Four tax cuts between 2001 and 2010, combined with two unfunded wars, unfunded Medicare Part D (which needed to be done but wasn't offset with other spending cuts), TARP ( passed at the request of a Republican Administration) before you ever GET to the Stimulus Plan, suggest to me that revenue development is as critical to getting this solved as expenditure reductions. But one side WILL NOT consider tax increases.

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    the majority party in the House DOES ignore the revenue side of the equation in their pledges to Grover Norquist, so compromise from the other side (en lement reform) looks like a cave in, so nothing at all gets done.
    CC doesn't ignore it, whereas the people he votes for do. So in a sense, CC is off the hook for this.

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    Nobody that can win will run for the GOP because they know the depression is going to continue and they wouldn't be able to do . Why preside over a giant turd of an economy that can't be fixed in the next 4 years and be known as a crappy President?

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    That's the theory, but in the meantime the Dems keep the presidency and what if things get better?

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    Nobody that can win will run for the GOP because they know the depression is going to continue and they wouldn't be able to do . Why preside over a giant turd of an economy that can't be fixed in the next 4 years and be known as a crappy President?
    Basically what I came to say. The GOP "A Team" wisely ducked this election and let the also-rans and not-a-chance-in- s have their day in the sun.

    They can then run their campaigns without an in bent getting in the way and most likely win with relative ease.

    Because really, what is a Democrat after Obama? Who has any mass appeal to actually win an election beyond him? Hillary? Pelosi?!

    Obama will be rubber-stamped his second term, the economy will continue down the ter, joblessness will stay about the same or get worse, wars will end and begin anew and this entire cycle of will start over again under the promises of another Noob with quick wit and a slick- smile.

    Boutons may be many things, but he is (imo) always been correct about one thing.

    This country is ed and un able. I say lets ride this train until the tracks run out and let some Eurasian country take the reins afterword. Im sure they'll remind the world very quickly how much better it was when the Americans were running the show, but by then, who ing cares?

    I'll be dead and gone, the can will have been kicked beyond my lifetime letting me enjoy the zenith of human existence as one of the last generations to do so. No one had it as good as we currently do. Drink up, youre one of the last at this drying watering hole.

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    did you just say pelosi?

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    Chris Christie is A-Team? He's more of the same. He was more of the same before endorsing Romney. Actually jumping in the lead of endorsements and backing Romney was the natural choice for him.

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    if the way right wingers didnt scare off the moderates somebody like jeb bush would rape obama

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    basically what i came to say. The gop "a team" wisely ducked this election and let the also-rans and not-a-chance-in- s have their day in the sun.

    They can then run their campaigns without an in bent getting in the way and most likely win with relative ease.

    Because really, what is a democrat after obama? Who has any mass appeal to actually win an election beyond him? Hillary? Pelosi?!

    obama will be rubber-stamped his second term, the economy will continue down the ter, joblessness will stay about the same or get worse, wars will end and begin anew and this entire cycle of will start over again under the promises of another noob with quick wit and a slick- smile.

    Boutons may be many things, but he is (imo) always been correct about one thing.

    This country is ed and un able. I say lets ride this train until the tracks run out and let some eurasian country take the reins afterword. Im sure they'll remind the world very quickly how much better it was when the americans were running the show, but by then, who ing cares?

    I'll be dead and gone, the can will have been kicked beyond my lifetime letting me enjoy the zenith of human existence as one of the last generations to do so. No one had it as good as we currently do. Drink up, youre one of the last at this drying watering hole.
    /ftw

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    Four tax cuts between 2001 and 2010, combined with two unfunded wars, unfunded Medicare Part D (which needed to be done but wasn't offset with other spending cuts), TARP ( passed at the request of a Republican Administration) before you ever GET to the Stimulus Plan, suggest to me that revenue development is as critical to getting this solved as expenditure reductions. But one side WILL NOT consider tax increases
    ...and there you have it....too many voters who don't watch Faux News already know that Obama isn't to blame for the size of the national debt.... those where policies put in place by the Bush administration... and cuts in military spending are required to meet $1 trillion in cuts demanded by the tea party wingnuts during the last debt extention....

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    No one had it as good as we currently do. Drink up, youre one of the last at this drying watering hole.
    I'd like to disagree with this, but I'm not sure I do.

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    I'd like to disagree with this, but I'm not sure I do.
    A quarter of the population is going to be dying over the next twenty years. They currently run the GOP for the most part, dominate the electorate and are more and more active, and all the while are collectively the worst generation in a century.

    Right now they are leeching off the rest of us and dictating policy. As they die off the tax burden for the rest of us will lessen and positions of power will be left to people who will be hard pressed to do worse. That being said the next twenty years as they enter the geriatric years will be terrible.

    Fiat in unfair and usurous policies is their policy and they dominate the electorate.

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