How good was Larry Bird?

[DeadlyDynasty]

Here's the kicker though: They were both great players, but Kobe was simply a joy to watch. You can watch Kobe go 6/24 from the field and have it be infinitely more exciting than watching Duncan go 10/17 with a bunch of vanilla post buckets and some 18-ft bankshots.

Both great players, both won multiple rings and individual awards, but only one was fun to watch on a nightly basis.

[dunkman]

The '07 game 3 of the WCSF's was rigged. That's a fact. Tim won 2 les, not 3.





You can't win this.

If you mean when Horry hip-checked Nash, and made Amare and Diew jump to the court from the bench, the refs only applied the rules on them and they got suspended the following game. BTW, Horry got suspended two games.


On the other hand, one of the '02 WCF refs said he received the order to make the Kings lose game 6, so there are no any doubts. Keep in mind even Kobe knew something, no way he would hit Bibby so blatantly angered after some clutch shots.

[z0sa]

Your only valid comparison between the 02-03 Spurs and the 05-06 Lakers is that there were no all-stars aside from Tim and Kobe. In terms of the quality of the players on the roster, there is no comparison whatsoever. The 02-03 Spurs were full of quality players who fit team needs, and had talent. The 05-06 Lakers had some good role players, but no one capable of stepping up consistently to take pressure off Kobe. At least Jackson, Manu, and Parker all stepped up at different points to help Timmy.

If that is the only reason you have for Timmy being > than Kobe, than Dirk must be > Kobe as well, considering the Mavs won the championship without another all-star.

Pretty re ed, tbqmfh.

Caron Butler in his prime. Lamar Odom in his prime and coming off a good playoff run with Miami. Kwame Brown, a strong defensive presence at the time (advanced stats help his cause, believe it or not). Smush WAS playing the best ball of his career, even if in the end he was just a scrub. Vladi Radmanovic and Devin george and Chucky Atkins, three strong perimeter role players.

All these guys are scrubs at the time? You sound like your stuck in Kobe's jock. Need help outta there?

You are proving yourself pretty re ed and/or ignorant and/or a Spurs hater. Maybe All 3 tbqmfh.

[DeadlyDynasty]

If you mean when Horry hip-checked Nash, and made Amare and Diew jump to the court from the bench, the refs only applied the rules on them and they got suspended the fowing game. BTW, Horry got suspended two games.

Nope, you're lost right now and have selective amnesia, like most Spurfans. You're referring to Game 4. I'm referring to Game 3, refereed by none other than Tim Donaghy.

Convenient how you forget that game. http://www.aolnews.com/2007/07/22/th...pionship-ring/

[z0sa]

Either way, I'm still curious as to what makes Duncan > Kobe in terms of player of the decade talks. Aside from incredibly poor comparisons of the 02-03 Spurs to the 05-06 Lakers supporting casts, that is.

Maybe you should read the Sports Illustrated article. And for sure you shouldn't argue strawmen.

[stretch]

Caron Butler in his prime. Lamar Odom in his prime and coming off a good playoff run with Miami. Kwame Brown, a strong defensive presence at the time (advanced stats help his cause, believe it or not). Smush WAS playing the best ball of his career, even if in the end he was just a scrub. Vladi Radmanovic and Devin george and Chucky Atkins, three strong perimeter role players.

All these guys are scrubs at the time? You sound like your stuck in Kobe's jock. Need help outta there?

You are proving yourself pretty re ed and/or ignorant and/or a Spurs hater. Maybe All 3 tbqmfh.

Butler was only there for one season, and in that season, the Lakers had just undergone some MAJOR changes (losing Shaq, a number of role players, and their head coach), had extended injuries to Kobe and Odom, and didn't have Kwame's "STRONG defense" as you call it, as he wasn't a Laker until the following season, in exchange for Butler. They didn't have Smush or Radmanovic either, and Deaven George was injured almost the entire season.

Do some research, moron.

[Deuce Bigalow]

37-97 .360% in game 7's
38-108 .352% in le winning games
41% in 37 finals games
66-163 .400% to win finals mvp....lowest fg% ever for a finals mvp (dirk this yr is #2 at 41% i believe)

higher PER than those greats I just mentioned

[z0sa]

Like they were going to win anyways

just as long as you know the card now gets played both ways, and Kobe's non-season ending injury means little to nothing in terms of completely missing the playoffs by a decent margin.

[Deuce Bigalow]

btw how is 37/97 = 36%? lmao

[z0sa]

Butler was only there for one season, and in that season, the Lakers had just undergone some MAJOR changes (losing Shaq, a number of role players, and their head coach), had extended injuries to Kobe and Odom, and didn't have Kwame's "STRONG defense" as you call it, as he wasn't a Laker until the following season, in exchange for Butler. They didn't have Smush or Radmanovic either, and Deaven George was injured almost the entire season.

Do some research, moron.

We're comparing 05-07, not sticking to 05, re . I'm still comparing Tim to Kobe; I know, I lost you a long time ago, back when you started 'trolling' with re talk because you're a like that.

[Deuce Bigalow]

We're comparing 05-07, not sticking to 05, re . I'm still comparing Tim to Kobe; I know, I lost you a long time ago, back when you started 'trolling' with re talk because you're a like that.

the irony, you're the one with the re ed talk dumbass, stretch understands basketball unlike you

[stretch]

We're comparing 05-07, not sticking to 05, re . I'm still comparing Tim to Kobe; I know, I lost you a long time ago, back when you started 'trolling' with re talk because you're a like that.

Actually, you were the one who compared the 02-03 Spurs team to the 05-06 Lakers team, and now you are deciding to claim that the better players from the 04-05 roster count as well, and suddenly have no clue what the you are talking about.

Scratch all that crap, lets start this conversation fresh. So what would you like to compare? I'm not trying to troll here at all. I want you to convince me as to why Duncan > Kobe this decade. If you bring some good, convincing points, I will concede. It's not a matter of me being a hater. If anything, people say I give Timmy more credit than he deserves, as I'm actually a big Tim Duncan fan.

So please, prove me wrong.

[z0sa]

the irony, you're the one with the re ed talk dumbass, stretch understands basketball unlike you

by re talk, I meant him calling me a re . english not your first language or have you simply too few brain cells to remember 20 replies back?

[lefty]

"If you are talking about guards, I would say he has got to be in the top 10.”

- MJ referencing Kobe

MJ knows his



The GOAT ting on the Lakers trolls

[Deuce Bigalow]

by re talk, I meant him calling me a re . english not your first language or have you simply too few brain cells to remember 20 replies back?

you are a re

"03 spurs are close to the 05-07 lakers"
"kobe was never dominant"

[lefty]

you are a re ed

"03 spurs are close to the 05-07 lakers"
"kobe was never dominant"

lol Scottie Bryant

[z0sa]

I lost you right before the re comment you made. This is what you said:

At no point in [Tim's] career, has Duncan ever had anywhere remotely as bad of a team as Kobe had in that span.

You said span. You did. We all know what you meant by span, 05-07.

I've been talking 05-07 with you this whole time. I listed players from the era and how they were strong. Additionally, I argued Tim would not have missed the playoffs or quit in game 7, not contrarily or as an addendum to our argument.

In your eagerness to troll and call me re ed, you didn't even realize what you posted.

You fail.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Btw, this thread is a microcosm of the NBA Forum...once again an unrelated thread like "How good was Larry Bird?" turns into a Kobe-Duncan show.

[z0sa]

you are a re

"03 spurs are close to the 05-07 lakers"
"kobe was never dominant"

Never said either of those things. What I said was that the supporting cast of LA was actually not too terrible. It all links into my former argument >>

Tim = Shaq > Kobe in the post Jordan era.

ye who can't even read what you in type, jesus...

[Deuce Bigalow]

I lost you right before the re comment you made. This is what you said:



You said span. You did. We all know what you meant by span, 05-07.

I've been talking 05-07 with you this whole time. I listed players from the era and how they were strong. Additionally, I argued Tim would not have missed the playoffs or quit in game 7, not contrarily or as an addendum to our argument.

In your eagerness to troll and call me re ed, you didn't even realize what you posted.

You fail.

If Duncan was injured yes he would miss the playoffs too
and Duncan would not have quit in game 7, because he would lose in 4-5 games

[stretch]

Never said either of those things. What I said was that the supporting cast of LA was actually not too terrible. It all links into my former argument

It wasn't terrible if you combine all the talented players across those 3 years into one team (which is what you are doing).

But if you look season by season, the talent was terrible. It may arguably have been the highest in the 04-05 year where they missed the playoffs, but there are so many other factors such as injuries, lack of chemistry, major roster changes, etc... that completely derailed that season.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Never said either of those things. What I said was that the supporting cast of LA was actually not too terrible. It all links into my former argument >>

Tim = Shaq > Kobe in the post Jordan era.

ye who can't even read what you in type, jesus...

Great player, but his early career got eclipsed by Duncan and Shaq, he wasted some years trying to make playoffs and exiting in first round, when the Lakers finally got by far most NBA talent in 08, his game was eclipsed by better players like Dirk and LeBron. He has a long career, but was never dominant.

I can't understand how someone can honestly say the 2000's were his era.

[z0sa]

If Duncan was injured yes he would miss the playoffs too

Injury excuses are lame:

Kobe played 65 games in 2003-04.

Kobe played 66 games in 2004-05.

Your argument simply doesn't hold water.

[dunkman]

Nope, you're lost right now and have selective amnesia, like most Spurfans. You're referring to Game 4. I'm referring to Game 3, refereed by none other than Tim Donaghy.

Convenient how you forget that game. http://www.aolnews.com/2007/07/22/th...pionship-ring/

Could be, but where is the refs quote he received the order for the Spurs to win that game? That game didn't decided the series. And the refs were pro Mavs, against the Spurs in 06. There is just one more suspect game, like the g7 of the 00 WCF's when the Lakers "miraculously" eliminated the Blazers.

However, one ref said he received the order to make the Lakers win the g6 of the WCF in 02. That's a fact, there are no doubts. The Kings would have eliminated the Lakers in that game, so Kobe can't be accounted with the 02 le.

[z0sa]

does my name look gray to you?