How good was Larry Bird?

[z0sa]

It wasn't terrible if you combine all the talented players across those 3 years into one team (which is what you are doing).

But if you look season by season, the talent was terrible. It may arguably have been the highest in the 04-05 year where they missed the playoffs, but there are so many other factors such as injuries, lack of chemistry, major roster changes, etc... that completely derailed that season.

Sounds like excuses for a 3 year lull Tim didn't have.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Injury excuses are lame:

Kobe played 65 games in 2003-04.

Kobe played 66 games in 2004-05.

Your argument simply doesn't hold water.

He played injured, more serious injury too

[z0sa]

He played injured, more serious injury too

what a surprise

[Deuce Bigalow]

Could be, but where is the refs quote he received the order for the Spurs to win that game? That game didn't decided the series. And the refs were pro Mavs, against the Spurs in 06. There is just one more suspect game, like the g7 of the 00 WCF's when the Lakers "miraculously" eliminated the Blazers.

However, one ref said he received the order to make the Lakers win the g6 of the WCF in 02. That's a fact, there are no doubts. The Kings would have eliminated the Lakers in that game, so Kobe can't be accounted with the 02 le.

There is a conspiracy to EXTEND the series to 7 games
Kings had 20 more freethrows than the Lakers in game 3 (35-15) the biggest discrepancy of the series
Kings also shot more total freethrows for the whole series than the Lakers

Did the refs rig Horry's gamewinning 3 in mid air to make it go in?
Did they rig the Kings freethrow shots to miss in game 7 at home?

[FkLA]

Here's the kicker though: They were both great players, but Kobe was simply a joy to watch. You can watch Kobe go 6/24 from the field and have it be infinitely more exciting than watching Duncan go 10/17 with a bunch of vanilla post buckets and some 18-ft bankshots.

Both great players, both won multiple rings and individual awards, but only one was fun to watch on a nightly basis.

4>3, funner=better, etc

btw how is 37/97 = 36%? lmao

*38%, only slightly less terrible

[Deuce Bigalow]

4>3, funner=better, etc



*38%, only slightly less terrible

Duncan in game 7, 2005 Finals: 10-27 (37.03%)

[FkLA]

Duncan in game 7, 2005 Finals: 10-27 (37.03%)

One game

6-24 (25%)

[Deuce Bigalow]

One game

6-24 (25%)

Kobe's a guard, Duncan is a C/PF

[Leetonidas]

Duncan in game 7, 2005 Finals: 10-27 (37.03%)

Well, he was being guarded by the best post tandem in the league

[DeadlyDynasty]

4>3, funner=better, etc

Glad you've finally accepted it since you haven't provided evidence to the contrary


Not only is Kobe better in the 2000s, he's better alltime because he has staying power. Duncan's basically a wax sculpture now who can't do w/o 2-3 days rest in between.

Getting D-bo'd by Marc Gasol and Fat-ass Z-Bo

[DeadlyDynasty]

Could be, but where is the refs quote he received the order for the Spurs to win that game? That game didn't decided the series. And the refs were pro Mavs, against the Spurs in 06. There is just one more suspect game, like the g7 of the 00 WCF's when the Lakers "miraculously" eliminated the Blazers.

However, one ref said he received the order to make the Lakers win the g6 of the WCF in 02. That's a fact, there are no doubts. The Kings would have eliminated the Lakers in that game, so Kobe can't be accounted with the 02 le.

Here, give him a call and he'll answer any questions you might have:

800-308-9003

[FkLA]

Glad you've finally accepted it since you haven't provided evidence to the contrary


Not only is Kobe better in the 2000s, he's better alltime because he has staying power. Duncan's basically a wax sculpture now who can't do w/o 2-3 days rest in between.

Getting D-bo'd by Marc Gasol and Fat-ass Z-Bo

Analyze the rings nlgga, dont just use simple '4>3' math logic.

Look at how Duncan got his; in small market San Antonio, undesirable FA destination, low payroll, team that had never won before him and likely wont win w/o him anytime soon. He was the Spurs system, the team depended on him anchoring defensively and drawing double teams in the post.

Look at how Kobe got his;in Los Angeles, most desirable FA destination, high payroll, team that has won before and will win after him. Robin, albeit a great one, for the three-peat.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Analyze the rings nlgga, dont just use simple '4>3' math logic.

Look at how Duncan got his; in small market San Antonio, undesirable FA destination, low payroll, team that had never won before him and likely wont win w/o him anytime soon. He was the Spurs system, the team depended on him anchoring defensively and drawing double teams in the post.

Look at how Kobe got his;in Los Angeles, most desirable FA destination, high payroll, team that has won before and will win after him. Robin, albeit a great one, for the three-peat.

Since it's in bent upon me to be more diplomatic now instead of just calling you a face, let's just agree to disagree. We both can argue till we're blue in the face, but I have a legit argument for Kobe and you think you have a legit argument for Tim.

Good day sir.

[stretch]

Sounds like excuses for a 3 year lull Tim didn't have.

ty reasoning.

What a surprise

[midnightpulp]

Your only valid comparison between the 02-03 Spurs and the 05-06 Lakers is that there were no all-stars aside from Tim and Kobe. In terms of the quality of the players on the roster, there is no comparison whatsoever. The 02-03 Spurs were full of quality players who fit team needs, and had talent. The 05-06 Lakers had some good role players, but no one capable of stepping up consistently to take pressure off Kobe. At least Jackson, Manu, and Parker all stepped up at different points to help Timmy.

If that is the only reason you have for Timmy being > than Kobe, than Dirk must be > Kobe as well, considering the Mavs won the championship without another all-star.

Pretty re ed, tbqmfh.

Not too far fetched a concept. Dirk is the most underrated player of all-time. Statistically more dominant than Kobe in the playoffs with one less le as the lead dog. Kobe's le runs always came accompanied with the best big (Shaq) or frontline (Gasol/Bynum/Odom) in the league, whereas Dirk had a combination of Shawn Bradley, Diop, and Dampier for the majority of his career.

[midnightpulp]

And lol at a Bird thread turning into yet another Duncan vs. Kobe debate.