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    Retired Ray xrayzebra's Avatar
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    in this respect Obama strongly resembles his predecessor.



    Examples please.

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    Retired Ray xrayzebra's Avatar
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    check the definition of obiter dictum. it's the curial equivalent of BTW.

    I did, from your post......but judging from your post, and mine, I would
    guess that it is only your opinion that the opinion was obiter dictum.

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    the whole chain of privacy and due process abrogations in the wake of 9/11 started with GWB and continue with Obama.

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    I did, from your post......but judging from your post, and mine, I would
    guess that it is only your opinion that the opinion was obiter dictum.
    shooting in the dark. let me know what you find out when you read it for yourself.

    if you can, please show us where citizenship was ruled on in Minor.
    Last edited by Winehole23; 01-30-2012 at 12:32 PM.

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    But Winehole23, they were sanctioned by the Congress and Courts. He didn't just
    on his own, ins ute those policies. But we are getting into a whole different
    subject.

    It is going to be interesting to see what transpires in Georgia and other states if
    this goes against Obama.

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    But Winehole23, they were sanctioned by the Congress and Courts.
    partial credit. the courts actually reined Bush in in the Hamdi, Hamdan and Boumedienne decisions

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    It is going to be interesting to see what transpires in Georgia and other states if
    this goes against Obama.
    no drama there. it will be batted down on appeal.

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    I may have overlook someone posting this, but I didn't see it. And, well,
    I thought it should be given the light of day on the forum.

    Obama could easily have lost Georgia eligibility case by “no-show” default

    A hearing was held on January 26, 2012, in the Georgia Administrative Court room of Judge Michael Malihi for considering the eligibility of President Obama to appear on the Georgia 2012 Presidential Ballot.

    ...

    It was reported by Bob Unruh of World Net Daily that the judge considered granting a default judgment because President Obama did not appear. However, this was not what those attorneys who brought the case wanted. They wanted a definitive decision based on the facts; and for them to be recorded as part of the court records for any future appeals.

    Not appearing may have been a big mistake on Mr. Obama’s part as often times appeal judges do not wish to hear evidence that was not presented in the original hearing.

    ...

    According to this complaint, he was born of one parent who was American and one who was subject to the United Kingdom.

    If the Cons ution requirement is that a candidate for US President be that of a “natural born” citizen – and the determination is that both parents must be either born in America or be a naturalized citizen and the child born in America – then President Obama would not qualify.

    The lead attorneys representing the plaintiff in this case were J. Mark Hatfield and Van R. Irion of Liberty Legal Foundation. They said they were under no edict from the judge to remain silent about the hearing; so they felt it was prudent to let the public know that the Judge had considered ending the hearing by default since the President failed to answer a legal subpoena.

    In Georgia, state law requires “every candidate for federal” office who is certified by the state executive committees of a political party or who files a notice of candidacy “shall meet the cons utional and statutory qualifications for holding the office being sought.”

    The Judge determined that Georgia Law allows any citizen to challenge a candidate’s qualifications to be on the state ballot.

    ...

    Many questions arise if the case is found to be against President Obama; and his name does not appear on the Georgia Ballot. Will it go to higher courts? For sure!

    If Obama wins then will that be the end of it? If he loses how will this affect his name on the ballot of all the other states?

    ...

    http://www.examiner.com/news-you-can...o-show-default

    Arrogant, egotistical, narcissistic and holds himself above the law.
    I present to you our President. But will it be his downfall?



    Nothing on the networks that I have seen either.
    That would be karma type justice if he wasn't allowed on the Georgia ballot. I say that because of the legal trickery he used in the past to eliminate compe ion he had in Illinois.

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    Those aren't the requirements for being a "natural born" citizen. If you're born in this country, and he was, you're eligible to be president. That includes a kid with a Mexican mama who barely crosses the RG, and drops him on the US riverbank. NEITHER of your parents needs to be a US citizen.
    That doesn't matter. If you are a no-show for court, you lose!

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    xray bringing the extreme right-wing crap so bad it might embarrass even WC. Nothing new here.
    Are you kidding. I find it ironic. See my first post in this thread.

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    what legal trickery? challenging qualifications?

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    Judge Malihi as he issues a default judgement against President Barack Obama.

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    Not this again. Is the RNC really that unimaginative? Are all of their cons uents really that stupid? Fillibusters, impeachments and birthersim is your modern GOP!

    People don't like losers especially when you lose like this.

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    Well peach fuzz, FuzzyLumpkins, you remind me of why I got off this
    forum to begin with. So far winhole23 and a couple of others have
    shown any inclination to hold a sensible conversation.

    This is an actual court case, it may or may not go too far, winhole thinks,
    obviously it want. I on the other hand am not sure. If the judge in the
    case rules against Obama and other states follow suit, Obama may have
    no choice but appear and defend himself.

    Anyhow, sorry I interrupted the one liners with something of substance,
    that most have no interest in.

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    Not this again. Is the RNC really that unimaginative? Are all of their cons uents really that stupid? Fillibusters, impeachments and birthersim is your modern GOP!

    People don't like losers especially when you lose like this.
    I concur.

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    That doesn't matter. If you are a no-show for court, you lose!
    Not remotely and there are rules for in absentia decisions which I think its safe to say that wikipedia is your best chance of ever understanding so google away, dimwit.

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    Well peach fuzz, FuzzyLumpkins, you remind me of why I got off this
    forum to begin with. So far winhole23 and a couple of others have
    shown any inclination to hold a sensible conversation.

    This is an actual court case, it may or may not go too far, winhole thinks,
    obviously it want. I on the other hand am not sure. If the judge in the
    case rules against Obama and other states follow suit, Obama may have
    no choice but appear and defend himself.

    Anyhow, sorry I interrupted the one liners with something of substance,
    that most have no interest in.
    Then go away I could give a . If you are going to give credence to this birther after his Hawaii birth certificate has been made public then you deserve nothing but scorn.

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    It's like some people want to believe that Obama is not even American or something. And even that Obama was never the president. Not validly, anyway.

    Stressing this meme exactly four years after Obama was elected president and stands for reelection can hardly be any accident but in fairness, the birtherish clamor has been more or less continual.

    Demanding validating do entation after the election strikes me as fundamentally odd since in any case, election validates the candidate.

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    Well peach fuzz, FuzzyLumpkins, you remind me of why I got off this
    forum to begin with. So far winhole23 and a couple of others have
    shown any inclination to hold a sensible conversation.

    This is an actual court case, it may or may not go too far, winhole thinks,
    obviously it want. I on the other hand am not sure. If the judge in the
    case rules against Obama and other states follow suit, Obama may have
    no choice but appear and defend himself.

    Anyhow, sorry I interrupted the one liners with something of substance,
    that most have no interest in.
    LOL...

    Peach Fuzz...

    Why didn't I think of that?

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    An administrative law judge refusing to quash a subpoena to the President of the United States

    Seriously, they don't even need law degrees. Comical to see people try and defend this absurdity. The Secretary of State in Georgia would never keep a sitting President of the United States off the ballot because some ALJ said so.

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    Not remotely and there are rules for in absentia decisions which I think its safe to say that wikipedia is your best chance of ever understanding so google away, dimwit.
    Not all judges go for that.

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    An administrative law judge refusing to quash a subpoena to the President of the United States .
    -zing!-

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    LOL...

    Peach Fuzz...

    Why didn't I think of that?
    Because you are dumb is the obvious reason.

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    Not all judges go for that.
    WTF are you even talking about? You said something obviously in ignorance and now try and speak for a profession which you do not have the first ing clue about. You have neither dignity nor intelligence.

    Just stop.

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