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Thanks for posting Bruno.
After the Hornets game:
1. Avery Johnson 4474
2. Tony Parker 4468
Last edited by Bruno; 02-03-2012 at 12:10 AM.
Thanks for posting Bruno.
Good
Time to trade Parker!
So basically what you're saying is if Tony had gotten off his butt and tied his career assist total last night then he also would have tied Avery for the Spurs career assist total.
Slacker. Like it's HARD to get 17 assists in a game.
In all honesty though, thats awesome. I look forward to giving him that crown in a game or two.
he wouldve gotten this record long time ago if he was a pass first pg....
Spurs would have less championships and wins if he was a pass first PG.
Didn't even know how close he was, tbh.
Both good point guards. Glad to have watched them over the years.
You know I thought I saw some graphic flash on the screen in last night's game. It said magic # 17 and it looked like Tony Parker. So I was wondering what that meant? Thought it could be for assists. Good for him!
So he'll most likely be #1 after the home win against the Thunder.
Of course
AJ didnt play his whole career in SA
lol record *
Right because distributing the ball and making the game easier on your teammates by allowing them to score easier translates to winning less. Boy Magic Johnson, you sure screwed over your teammates with your passing abilities. To think how much they could have won without you passing the rock. Oh, and screw you Oscar Robertson for sharing the ball.
Parker has also scored around 7,000 more points as a Spur than Avery. He wouldn't have those if he was a pass first PG. And we would likely have less banners in the rafters.
All these arguments about pass-first point guards being better than Tony are moot in the Spurs' offense. Everyone is required to be unselfish and find the best play, not just the PG. The best play might be 3 passes removed from the PG, and that's not something you can blame Tony for.
If you want to boil it down to the basics a good point guard gets his team the best shot available in a possession. If that point guard just happens to be possibly the quickest one in the league (as Parker was for a few years) that means attacking the rim.
On top of that his assist numbers are a little skewed just like Duncan's. How many wide open threes came from him passing out double teams in the post? Tons! It's the guys making the extra pass to swing the ball around to the shooter with the most room that gets the credit for the assist but the guy drawing the double team is really the most crucial aspect. Parker could get into the paint at will, unbalance a defense, and get the ball back out the perimeter without that showing on the stat sheet in his favor.
There was a real good thread in the NBA forum once upon a time (seriously, they have those there) that talked about the assist as a stat. The argument I came to agree with most is that as an individual stat they a overrated measure of a player, but great measure of a team's offensive flow. A PG who dominates the ball on every possession could get 8 assists a game without truly helping his team while a guy could run an offense that gets three starters 2-3 assists per game without garnering any praise.
Which is all just a long winded way of saying TP is a of player and I'm glad he'll have his name in the Spurs record books.
The difference between the two, besides Tony's better natural talent and speed, is that Tony unike AJ worked very hard on his outside shot and it has paid off. To be fair once AJ hit a key shot in a championship game but the defense almost always played off on him. David Robinson if he had had a chance to play his prime with Tony instead of AF would have won a le or two before Tim came along in my opinion.
The other thing about AJ is that even though became a coach also had some locker room incidents including one with Malik. Here is a write up about that one:
One time when he didn't like something Malik Rose was doing, Johnson confronted him. An argument in the showers turned into a naked free-for-all on the floor. A few days later on the team bus, when Johnson stood up to address his peers, most of them assumed he was going to apologize.
He did, in his own way, adding, "This is my team." http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/ar...r-avery-j.html
I for one have never been a fan of AJ either as a coach or as a player; but am a great fan of the under-ranked and under-appreciated Tony Parker - so glad it is him not AJ who will be left holding the record.
So you are saying if Chris Paul came here he would be averaging less assists? If so Pop wouldn't be making the best use of his talent and passing ability. You can't win with just a system you need the players' individual talents.
That's because he's not a good passer. But you can't be saying if the Spurs had Chris Paul (a better passer) they would have won less.
To begin with, this was a thread about Avery Johnson and Tony Parker. Avery dished out assists at a slightly higher rate, but scored at less than half the rate. The fact that you had to resort to Chris Paul to try and prove your point says a lot. If there's a list of better PG's in the league, its a damned short one. And Avery Johnson wouldn't have been on it.
The discussion was - would we have as many les with Avery, or a PG like him? The answer is simply, no. If some of you want to go putting together some kind of NBA Dream Team, have at it. Wast of time for those out of middle school.
Most definitely.
Parker joined the Spurs when he was very young and Pop shaped him into the kind of player he needed at least as much as Parker blossomed into the kind of player he was meant to be.
The great luck the Spurs had all along was to have 2 great players who always acknowledged that it was Tim's team and always did what Pop wanted, even though that didn't pad their stats, didn't make for highlight reels or meant they had to go to the bench. These players bought into the system and have 3 rings to show for it. That's 3 more than many basketball players that are supposed to play better but can't take directions, act like primadonnas and can't get their priorities straight.
My prediction: TP breaks the record in spectacular fashion tonight.
Thank You.
Tony has always been under appreciated in San Antonio because Pop's offense used TD as the main scorer AND passer for so many years. In TD's prime, the only thing to do was "geev thee ball to Teemy". Then get out of the way. Duncan would start dribbling and if he didn't get double teamed he would shoot. But if he made the basket, Tony would never get the assist because TD dribbled after he took the pass. If TD DID get double-teamed, he would pass and then IF someone made a shot, TD would get the assist, not the point guard.
Only after TD became less able to knock around in the post did Pop begin to change the offense a little bit...but the offense is Pop's not Tony's.
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