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    Hopefully he starts doing and telling the GOP to themselves before they completely dismantle the foundation of this country.

    The irony. It's not conservatives that dislike the foundation of this country. Just recently, Ruth Bader Ginsburg advised the Egyptians not to use the U.S. Cons ution as a model.

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    But, I agree with the OP. ty presidents do get re-elected.

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    The election is far from beginning, but I tend to agree a drawn out, contentious primary favors Obama. Republicans tearing each other to pieces doesn't hurt Obama and overexposure is a danger.

    Should be pretty close. Romney could win, but the polls I've seen have Obama slightly ahead of Romney.

    Which ones were you looking at, CC?
    I think that decisive wins in Florida and Nevada has pretty well driven a stake through the heart of Gingrich/Santorum. The mudslinging is about to be over.

    IMHO Obama has no place to go but down and Romney should rise as the primary smoke clears.

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    I also agree it will be close, and the only reason it will be close is because of the enormous amount of people that dislike Obama. The right wing media has done a pretty good job at demonizing him.
    Actually, most people (including conservatives) like Obama, the man. They hate his policies. The left wing media has done a pretty good job at telling liberal lemmings that conservatives hate Obama, the black man.

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    They hate his policies.
    you must be referring to Obamacare (see how they added his name in there?)

    because the rest of his policies are just a continuation of Bush policies.

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    you must be referring to Obamacare (see how they added his name in there?)
    HillaryCare, RomneyCare


    They do it to others too. Has nothing to do with his skin color.

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    Who do you think will beat him? Romney is pretty much a clone of Obama, except he leans towards giving more money to bankers than Obama did.
    Yep. Obama also notably adopted Romneycare as his template for health care reform.

    George Soros recently said something similar. He assured the masters of the universe at Davos not to worry about Romney, that he's basically no different from Obama.

    As the power of the presidency grows, the effects on us have become more radical: regulatory capture, reduced privacy, preventive detention, loss of due process, decade long wars of choice...I expect little change in this pattern regardless of who wins.

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    HillaryCare, RomneyCare


    They do it to others too. Has nothing to do with his skin color.
    I was not talking about skin color at all.

    Why are you so obsessed with skin color?

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    It's interesting how confident all of you are even when the polls don't agree with your conclusions. This election is far from over.
    I'm certainly not going to shed a tear if Obama loses, he's been nothing more than W's 3rd term as far as I'm concerned. But, the points RG raised are all valid IMO.

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    I think that decisive wins in Florida and Nevada has pretty well driven a stake through the heart of Gingrich/Santorum. The mudslinging is about to be over.

    IMHO Obama has no place to go but down and Romney should rise as the primary smoke clears.
    You said the polls didn't agree with posters who say Obama is the favorite. Were you referring to polls that haven't been taken yet?

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    I was not talking about skin color at all.

    Why are you so obsessed with skin color?
    Why are you so weirded-out that they "put his name in there"? <gasp!>

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    You said the polls didn't agree with posters who say Obama is the favorite. Were you referring to polls that haven't been taken yet?
    Have you not read the other posts in this thread?

    From the link Bartleby posted...

    Among registered voters, 49 percent say Obama’s performance warrants a second term; exactly as many say it doesn’t.

    Among political independents, who are likely to determine the outcome of the election, 47 percent approve and 50 percent disapprove of the way he is handling his job.
    Does that really sound like a slam dunk re-election to you?

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    Why are you so weirded-out that they "put his name in there"? <gasp!>
    Hey if you wanna believe Obama has not been demonized by right wing media and radio talk shows for the last 4 years, go right ahead.

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    Actually, most people (including conservatives) like Obama, the man. They hate his policies. The left wing media has done a pretty good job at telling liberal lemmings that conservatives hate Obama, the black man.
    But questioning his birth and iden y four years after the election is totally valid. Also, totally unrelated to his skin color.

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    Also, totally unrelated to cable news and internet conspiranoia.

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    Have you not read the other posts in this thread?

    From the link Bartleby posted...



    Does that really sound like a slam dunk re-election to you?
    No. Did I say it was?

    (I seem to recall saying it would be close.)

    Generic approval/disapproval doesn't reflect head to head matchups as well as head to head polls, wouldn't you say?

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    No. Did I say it was?

    (I seem to recall saying it would be close.)

    Generic approval/disapproval doesn't reflect head to head matchups as well as head to head polls, wouldn't you say?
    The OP and several others are already claiming victory...I simply pointed out that their celebration may be a tad premature.

    At this point in time I would actually trust a generic approve/disapprove poll on the in bent more.

    With all the mudslinging in the GOP primary Romney is a little bloodied at this point but there is plenty of time for that to blow over.

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    I simply pointed out that their celebration may be a tad premature.
    You also said their posts were against the trend of polling. Still waiting for you to back that up. One data point isn't a trend.
    At this point in time I would actually trust a generic approve/disapprove poll on the in bent more.
    Why?

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    You also said it was against the trend of polling. Still waiting for you to back that up. One data point isn't a trend.
    Why?
    *sigh*

    Can't you read?

    A 49/49 approve/disprove is hardly a slam dunk for reelection as the OP and several others claimed.

    The mudslinging on Romney is fresh on everyone's mind. That will fade with time. Once Obama/Romney start going head to head the negatives will balance out.

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    Sure, I can read. Can you answer a direct question? You're still dodging.

    One data point still isn't a trend and I see no reason to think there will be any less mudslinging in the general election. On the contrary, the tsunami of corporate money for issue ads portends the nastiest campaign ever.

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    dp

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    *sigh*


    The mudslinging on Romney is fresh on everyone's mind. That will fade with time. Once Obama/Romney start going head to head the negatives will balance out.
    Maybe. The economy could get worse, but it could also improve (Making Obama a very tough out). People could decide they don't dislike Romney so much after all, but he could also say more stupid stuff (or become even more unlikeable due to the spread of stories like his dog-on-the-roof fiasco).

    More to the point, the poll I cited suggests that Obama has the momentum right now, and it's worth noting that if the election were held today it looks like he would probably win.

    From the same source:

    In a general-election test, Obama leads Romney 52 to 43 percent among all Americans; more narrowly, 51 to 45 percent, among registered voters.

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    OK, y'all are right. In the February election Obama probably wins. Too bad the election isn't until November.


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    But questioning his birth and iden y four years after the election is totally valid. Also, totally unrelated to his skin color.
    Meh, there were John McCain birthers before there were Obama birthers. I don't consider either to be a "mainstream" view.

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    Hey if you wanna believe Obama has not been demonized by right wing media and radio talk shows for the last 4 years, go right ahead.

    Rush built a career on demonizing Bill Clinton. There's nothing "special" about the demonization of Obama.

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