So even though Brady completely choked in the 2nd half....

[Edward]

He's now lost 2 straight with Brady, it's time to move on

Phyllis Rivers has now missed the playoffs two straight times, it's time for San Diego to move on.

[BlackSwordsMan]

gizele bunchkin blaming his team mates for losing

[DeadlyDynasty]

gizele bunchkin blaming his team mates for losing

Here's the video

http://www.theinsider.com/gossip/494...m_s_Teammates/

[BlackSwordsMan]

That's a woman who has his back. What a lovely woman

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I don't think Brady was bad at all. He had a couple bad desicions, but he played well enough for them to win. Honestly, the defense wasn't bad at all either, there were a BUNCH of times where they defended about as well as you can ask, Eli just somehow fit a pass in the smallest of spaces, and his receivers made some amazingly focuses catches as well.

It certainly isn't a chokejob whatsoever. I think the Pats simply lost to a superior, more focused team this time around. Sure, the Pats had a lead, and were one drop away from icing the game, but in football, its not exactly uncommon for inferior teams to win, as the Patriots should know better than anyone, from 2007. Just IMO, the Giants were a better overall football team than the Pats.

[leemajors]

[Blake]

I didn't see the replay of the Welker drop..was it a perfect pass?..

Yes.

Brady's pass was a laser and the ball lodged perfectly between the back of Welker's helmet and back shoulder pad.

Welker got all freaked out and knocked it down.

A true #1 receiver would recognize.

[Blake]

meaning product of BB's system. meaning he is the beneficiary of a better offensive scheme, meaning he doesn't make the offense go, he just follows the plan and makes the throws he's supposed to.

BB needs to get a new QB tbh

Wow you are even dumber than originally thought.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I don't think Brady was bad at all. He had a couple bad desicions, but he played well enough for them to win. Honestly, the defense wasn't bad at all either, there were a BUNCH of times where they defended about as well as you can ask, Eli just somehow fit a pass in the smallest of spaces, and his receivers made some amazingly focuses catches as well.

It certainly isn't a chokejob whatsoever. I think the Pats simply lost to a superior, more focused team this time around. Sure, the Pats had a lead, and were one drop away from icing the game, but in football, its not exactly uncommon for inferior teams to win, as the Patriots should know better than anyone, from 2007. Just IMO, the Giants were a better overall football team than the Pats.

So you think Brady scoring a touchdown on the opening drive of the 2nd half, then not producing any points at all the rest of the game wasn't choking? He had countless opportunities to make it a 2 score game and failed to do so.

[Blake]

So you think Brady scoring a touchdown on the opening drive of the 2nd half, then not producing any points at all the rest of the game wasn't choking? He had countless opportunities to make it a 2 score game and failed to do so.

There was a hit Brady took on his bum shoulder somewhere in the third where he just wasn't the same afterwards.

Maybe he choked a bit, but so did Wes, Hernandez, and a number of other Patriots.

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So you think Brady scoring a touchdown on the opening drive of the 2nd half, then not producing any points at all the rest of the game wasn't choking? He had countless opportunities to make it a 2 score game and failed to do so.

Not really when looking at the cir stances. First off, the Giants did a great job of keeping the ball as long as possible and limiting the chances Brady and the Patriots offense had to score.

Wes Welker had a ball (although slightly overthrown) right in his hands, which almost certainly would have iced the game.

Also, as soon as the Pats went up 17, they completely abandoned what was working best, which was dink-and-dunking their way down field. They started running the ball and trying to use play-action to set up big plays, which hadn't worked at any point in the game for them. If they kept going with what was working, who knows what could have happened? By time they started going back to passing the ball, it was too late and there was only 50 seconds on the clock and a long field to march down, and they had no choice but to try taking shots downfield. They did a great job in the 2 drives where they scored TDs, of attacking the slower OLB's of the Giants, with Hernandez and Woodhead, and for whatever reason they completely abandoned it.

If anything, I think Bill deserves more blame than Brady.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

There was a hit Brady took on his bum shoulder somewhere in the third where he just wasn't the same afterwards.

Maybe he choked a bit, but so did Wes, Hernandez, and a number of other Patriots.

I hope you're being sarcastic with that bum shoulder thing , Cris Collinsworth loves to make big deals out of nothing or come up with to create a story.

My favorite was when he said right after a Ninkovich sack that Ninkovich, "Was a guy merely hoping for a roster spot as a long snapper" to open the season when it was basically a sure thing he'd be a starter since the beginning of training camp.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Not really when looking at the cir stances. First off, the Giants did a great job of keeping the ball as long as possible and limiting the chances Brady and the Patriots offense had to score.

Wes Welker had a ball (although slightly overthrown) right in his hands, which almost certainly would have iced the game.

Also, as soon as the Pats went up 17, they completely abandoned what was working best, which was dink-and-dunking their way down field. They started running the ball and trying to use play-action to set up big plays, which hadn't worked at any point in the game for them. If they kept going with what was working, who knows what could have happened? By time they started going back to passing the ball, it was too late and there was only 50 seconds on the clock and a long field to march down, and they had no choice but to try taking shots downfield. They did a great job in the 2 drives where they scored TDs, of attacking the slower OLB's of the Giants, with Hernandez and Woodhead, and for whatever reason they completely abandoned it.

If anything, I think Bill deserves more blame than Brady.

The coaching staff undoubtedly deserves blame, but the problem with dinking and dunking is that eventually defenses move the safeties up and stop allowing it. That's why I blame Brady's inability to stretch the field, as I did after the last Giants game. It's not as simple as, "They went away from dink and dunk," the Giants started defending the dink and dunk. If Brady as you hinted at was able to throw an accurate finesse pass to Welker, the game woulda been iced. I still blame Welker for dropping it but it was a horribly thrown pass.

I also know he's not a stud RB or anything, but BJGE had some shoe string tackles in the backfield he should have been able to run through.

[manufan10]

^ Every guy has a long feel good story according to Chris Collinsworth.

[Blake]

I hope you're being sarcastic with that bum shoulder thing , Cris Collinsworth loves to make big deals out of nothing or come up with to create a story.

No sarcasm. I didn't think he looked quite right after the hit. Jim Rome even mentioned Brady's stats before and after the hit.

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The coaching staff undoubtedly deserves blame, but the problem with dinking and dunking is that eventually defenses move the safeties up and stop allowing it. That's why I blame Brady's inability to stretch the field, as I did after the last Giants game. It's not as simple as, "They went away from dink and dunk," the Giants started defending the dink and dunk. If Brady as you hinted at was able to throw an accurate finesse pass to Welker, the game woulda been iced. I still blame Welker for dropping it but it was a horribly thrown pass.

I also know he's not a stud RB or anything, but BJGE had some shoe string tackles in the backfield he should have been able to run through.

I won't argue too much against this, but I do think they still could have utilized the short pass more than they ended up doing.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The biggest issue is that Brady's best/most lethal receiver who requires more game planning than any other weapon he has was a decoy in this game and that's it. If Gronk was healthy New England close the game easily.

[Blake]

The biggest issue is that Brady's best/most lethal receiver who requires more game planning than any other weapon he has was a decoy in this game and that's it. If Gronk was healthy New England close the game easily.

I think the Pats would have been better off not playing Gronk.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I think the Pats would have been better off not playing Gronk.

I disagree only because they literally don't have any other true tight end on the roster. If they still had Alge Crumpler I'd agree 100%

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

It's also too predictable that a Bernard Pollard caused injury cost them a superbowl.

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It's also too predictable that a Bernard Pollard caused injury cost them a superbowl.

so who is more hated in Patriot-land?

Eli or Pollard?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Prior to this superbowl at least Eli wasn't hated THAT much while Pollard was still considered the anti-Christ. Maybe another Eli superbowl changes it but it's still Pollard by a long shot IMO.