General 2012 Free Agency Discussion

[Bruno]

2012 free agents list

[CGD]

After Howard, it's kind of slim picking this summer in the unrestricted FA category. There are several intriguing restricted FA though, like: Roy Hibbert, JaVale McGee, Anthony Randolph, Ryan Anderson, Jason Thompson, Nicolas Batum, Lopez bros, & Darrell Arthur.

I just don't know if the Spurs would overpay for any of them in the hopes to outbidding their currents teams. If we can't land anyone, maybe this is the year Spurs bring in some of their Euro stash, while we bide time for next year's crop of FAs.

[mountainballer]

yes. Spurs can't get a premium FA anyhow, so they will go the Euro path.
Lorbek and maybe De Colo. and Lorbek at the level he plays right now might be the better than any NBA player the Spurs could get. for less money.
money? assuming Lorbek will get some very nice offers this summer and that he is to old to just play the "come in and prove yourself" thing, it will take a significant offer to get him, b/c this will be the most important contract of his career. something in the 3 years 10-12 million range. considering what Bonner makes, this might still be reasonable.

[jesterbobman]

3 Years, 10 million seems reasonable, especially given what over Euro Bigs have got when they've come over. Splitter, Scola, Marc Gasol contracts seem to have set the market.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

Just noticed that KG will be a FA. would liked to have seen him in a spurs uniform....4 years ago. I hope he will not be a top target this offseason or Antawn Jaminson.

Jason thompson, Marreese Speights, Anthony Randolph are all restricted FA and I think spurs may be able to steal 1 away for a little more than a MLE type signing.

[TDMVPDPOY]

how about brook lopez of the nets?? i think the nets are going to allow him test FA, just to free up cap to try and get howard...

spurs get another big....

use 2 draft picks on needs of the team...

[Bruno]

BTW, these is a list of bigmen who will or should be available this summer:

Dwight Howard (PO)
Brook Lopez (RFA)
Roy Hibbert (RFA)
Ryan Anderson(RFA)
Javale McGee (RFA)
Lamar Odom (Partially Guaranteed)
Omer Asik (RFA)
Chris Kaman
Kevin Garnett
Antawn Jamison
Michael Beasley (RFA)
JJ Hickson (RFA)
Carl Landry
Spencer Hawes
MarcuS Camby
Kris Humphries
Brandon Bass (PO)
Boris Diaw
Jason Thompson (RFA)
Ian Mahinmi
Anthony Randolph (RFA)

[Mel_13]

BTW, these is a list of bigmen who will or should be available this summer:

Dwight Howard (PO)
Andrew Bynum (PO)
Brook Lopez (RFA)
Roy Hibbert (RFA)
Ryan Anderson(RFA)
Javale McGee (RFA)
Lamar Odom (Partially Guarnateed)
Omer Asik (RFA)
Chris Kaman
Kevin Garnett
Antawn Jamison
Michael Beasley (RFA)
JJ Hickson (RFA)
Carl Landry
Spencer Hawes
MarcuS Camby
Kris Humphries
Brandon Bass (PO)
Boris Diaw
Jason Thompson (RFA)
Ian Mahinmi
Anthony Randolph (RFA)

Sham has Bynum as a Team Option.

[Bruno]

Sham has Bynum as a Team Option.

Oops.

[TDMVPDPOY]

SIGN IAN MAHINMI? lmao

[CGD]

If Lamar become expendable this summer with Dallas trying to clear cap space for DH & JW, I'd target him.

With respect to the RFAs, I really don't see any of their current teams not matching an offer sheet with the exception of Beasley maybe.

[CGD]

Spencer Hawes is intriguing, but I think some team is going to grossly overpay for him.

[yavozerb]

The spurs must choose which FA big man they like and make an aggresive offer early..Some teams like Dallas or NJ well be giving max offers to elite players like Howard or WIlliams if they are available. They may be a little reluctant to match an offer if it costs them a chance to sign an elite player

[CGD]

The spurs must choose which FA big man they like and make an aggresive offer early..Some teams like Dallas or NJ well be giving max offers to elite players like Howard or WIlliams if they are available. They may be a little reluctant to match an offer if it costs them a chance to sign an elite player

Great point. I was just reading that under the new CBA the RFA's current club has only three days to match the offer. The CBA prior to 2011 allowed for seven days.

Assuming no trade and the Nets being players for DH in the off-season... Brook Lopez anyone?

[Russo21]

Heard Ron Arte... uhh umm, Metta World Peace i mean, may be amnestied soon. Should we try nab him?

[Anonymous Cowherd]

^nooooooooope.

[TDMVPDPOY]

hawks just signed erika dampier to 10 day contract...

[Ditty]

I had a question Bruno, or whoever knows alot about our salary cap situation. If we amnesty RJ, and pick up Blair's option we we will be about $20 million under the cap with $38 million salary for 7 playesr to the $58 million max salary cap I believe...from hoopshype?

Also if that is the case, I'm not 100% sure about bird rights, but say if Duncan resigns for $8 million. Can we still sign players with that $20 million of cap space, and once we hit the $58 million max salary cap, we can resign Duncan going over the cap because we have bird rights, or whatever Duncan signs for will go against the cap room?

Hope yall get the question haha

[TDMVPDPOY]

beno udrih is not pikcin up his player option, looks like he wants out due to lack of playing time. his still on the kings right? or is bucks?

same can be said for Freddette, draft into wrong team glued with too many wing players ahead of him....

[Bruno]

Also if that is the case, I'm not 100% sure about bird rights, but say if Duncan resigns for $8 million. Can we still sign players with that $20 million of cap space, and once we hit the $58 million max salary cap, we can resign Duncan going over the cap because we have bird rights, or whatever Duncan signs for will go against the cap room?

Re-signing Duncan will count against the cap room. If Duncan re-sign for $8M per year, Spurs will have $8M less in cap space.

[Uriel]

Re-signing Duncan will count against the cap room. If Duncan re-sign for $8M per year, Spurs will have $8M less in cap space.

I think the question was if it's possible under the current CBA rules to FIRST use our $20 million in cap room to sign a max free agent and THEN re-sign Duncan for $8 million despite being over the cap because we have his Bird rights.

[Mel_13]

I think the question was if it's possible under the current CBA rules to FIRST use our $20 million in cap room to sign a max free agent and THEN re-sign Duncan for $8 million despite being over the cap because we have his Bird rights.

No.

Unsigned free agents are assigned a "cap hold" figure that is based on their status and previous salary according to rules in the CBA. That figure is counted in determining the amount of available cap space.

In Duncan's case that figure is about 22 million dollars. So the Spurs will not have any available cap space to sign free agents until they resolve Duncan's situation. This can be done in one of two ways:

1. Sign him to a new deal and his new salary becomes his cap figure.

2. Renounce his rights and he then counts for zero against the cap. In that case, they could sign other free agents with that cap space, but any new deal for Duncan would have to fit under the cap.

There is at least one player on the Spurs that can be managed in the way you suggest. The Spurs can make Danny Green a Restricted Free Agent by tendering a Qualifying Offer of just over 1 million dollars. That will be also be his cap figure during the free agency period. If the Spurs have cap space they can use it and then sign Green later on using his Bird Rights to a salary much higher than the QO. Miami did just this with Joel Anthony during the summer of 2010.

[TDMVPDPOY]

green is worth more then 1m....no way his stayin here for 1m

[BackHome]

We suck at attracting free agents from the U.S so just get the deal done and sign Lobrek to a 3 year deal. Also look at using Blair and Anderson as trade bate and either moving up a few numbers or getting a early second round pick.

Anderson is expendable as Adam Hanga will be replacing him and so if we can sign Lobrke look at drafting...Jeff Taylor SF "Amnesty RJ".....If we can't sign a big then draft Arnett Moultrie 6'11 PF/C, or Patrick Young 6'9 PF.

If we can get a early second round pick I would take a gamble on a foreign player either Tomas Satoransky PG/SG 6'6 or Ceasar Lima...6'10 PF..

[yavozerb]

We suck at attracting free agents from the U.S so just get the deal done and sign Lobrek to a 3 year deal. Also look at using Blair and Anderson as trade bate and either moving up a few numbers or getting a early second round pick.

Anderson is expendable as Adam Hanga will be replacing him and so if we can sign Lobrke look at drafting...Jeff Taylor SF "Amnesty RJ".....If we can't sign a big then draft Arnett Moultrie 6'11 PF/C, or Patrick Young 6'9 PF.

If we can get a early second round pick I would take a gamble on a foreign player either Tomas Satoransky PG/SG 6'6 or Ceasar Lima...6'10 PF..

Moultrie and Young will be gone by the time the spurs have there 1st pick and the same can be said for Satoranky on a 2nd rd pick...Hard to say who will be around late in the 1st, but odds are, if they are a player you like alot, they too will be gone by the late 1st..