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    Under your premise States could amend their cons utions to deny women the right to vote. It doesn't work like that. The US Cons ution is the law of the land.
    No, because state cons ution cannot trump federal cons ution. The state can claim federal laws violate their 10th amendment rights, but that probably about it.

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    I would think removing certain rights based strictly on sex goes squarely against the 14th amendment. I'm sure the resident legal scholars can correct me if I'm wrong.

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    be interesting to see what the SC sez

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    No, because state cons ution cannot trump federal cons ution.
    Exactly. Now you see how a state law can be knocked down on uncons utional grounds.

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    The Equal protection Clause isn't violated by defining marriage as between one man and one woman. The 1st amendment is, but not the 14th.
    But your argument is that States, under the 10th Amendment, have the right to enact laws like these. If you concede that this violates the First Amendment (a dubious proposition, but we'll go with it), are you saying that the 10th Amendment gives states the right to enact laws that limit First Amendment rights?

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    I would think removing certain rights based strictly on sex goes squarely against the 14th amendment. I'm sure the resident legal scholars can correct me if I'm wrong.
    It's not removing right. marriage is a tradition that government should have no say in anyway. A gay man still has the right to marry a woman. A lesbian still has the right to marry a man. I fail to see how making a tradition definition of marriage, legally enforceable, as violating equal protection.

    Just call it a civil union. Make those legal if people want the same legal rights and responsibilities marriage provides. Still, as a bottom line... I wish government just stopped considering marriage for taxes, etc. Call it a civil union for all couples, and let the churches continue with their marriage ceremonies.

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    be interesting to see what the SC sez
    No doubt. I'm pretty sure that's ultimately the intent here. See if they can get a definitive ruling from the SCOTUS.

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    It's not removing right. marriage is a tradition that government should have no say in anyway.
    But they do, and currently it entails a contract between two people that grants very specific rights not granted under other denominations, be it civil-unions, domestic partnership, etc.

    Now, if the government is going to call that legal contract "marriage", there's no reason to call it something else strictly on sex grounds, IMO.

    I personally don't really care about tradition. Nobody is taking away the religious-marriage tradition anyways.

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    Traditionally, divorced women shouldn't be allowed to remarry.

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    Anyone know the details?

    How can a properly approved cons utional change be uncons utional?

    Time for SCOTUS to weigh in.
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    So a State full of liberals voted to re affirm that marriage is between a man and a woman…
    California has never been a state full of liberals.

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    There's no discrimination.

    I don't think anyone has a problem with a gay guy marrying a lesbian.
    Except, of course, the gay guy and the lesbian.

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    -zing!-

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    SCOTUS it will be.

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    5-4 for sure

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    Why can't people just admit that marriage is a joke? It's not a right. It's a benefit. When you are married, you get special benefits and tax breaks that single people don't.

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    Why can't people just admit that marriage is a joke? It's not a right. It's a benefit. When you are married, you get special benefits and tax breaks that single people don't.
    That's pretty much the whole point.

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    Less people are getting married these days and if gays want to get married let them.

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    California has never been a state full of liberals.
    Doooode….You cant be serious…Liberals have controlled the state legislature, the courts, the teachers union, for decades…

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    Yep, lowered my jaw, stepped into that one.

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