Why are athiests so hated in the USA?

[vy65]

I'd like to see some scripture dictating that it is to be taken literally. If not, then we're just spinning our wheels about how best to interpret it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Where did I say a Christian should take any of it literally? You're the one obsessed with whether burning lakes are real or not.

I am not obsessed. Its a blatant falsehood. Whats important though is that the ten commandments came from a burning bush. You take that figuratively too?

As soon as you admit that Moses did not in fact go to the top of Mount Sinai and get the commandments from said Bush then you debase the authority of said commandments.

[vy65]

^ That was a response for Blake, not you.

[Blake]

I'd like to see some scripture dictating that it is to be taken literally. If not, then we're just spinning our wheels about how best to interpret it.

So you are asking for literal scripture that says scripture should be taken literally.

[vy65]

So you are asking for literal scripture that says scripture should be taken literally.

Dunno what you mean by literal scripture - but yeah - I'd like book/verse.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'd like to see some scripture dictating that it is to be taken literally. If not, then we're just spinning our wheels about how best to interpret it.

17 The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching. 18 For Scripture says, “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,”[a] and “The worker deserves his wages.”[b] 19 Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses. 20 But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning. 21 I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions without partiality, and to do nothing out of favoritism.

But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses. 13 In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, I charge you 14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

17 Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. 18 Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. 19 In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.

20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, 21 which some have professed and in so doing have departed from the faith.

Grace be with you all.

There are other passages where he talks about how scripture is directly from God etc. Its been well do ented that they didn't like the half way pickers and choosers back then.

That took about 5 mins to find theres much much more and the OT guys were much less forgiving.

[vy65]

None of those passages say that the bible is to interpreted literally. Show me what else you got.

Scripture being directly from god =|= treating the words literally.

The old rabbis didn't seem to have a problem treating the torah as something to be interpreted -- not blindly followed.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

None of those passages say that the bible is to interpreted literally. Show me what else you got.

Scripture being directly from god =|= treating the words literally.

The old rabbis didn't seem to have a problem treating the torah as something to be interpreted -- not blindly followed.

Some proof for the latter and normally when I am told that 'in the name of God that I am to keep to something without blemish' that means to not ad lib.

Quite frankly, how do you figuratively interpret like:

1 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet.

without blemish?

[Blake]

Dunno what you mean by literal scripture - but yeah - I'd like book/verse.

Do you want it for curiosity or validation?

[LnGrrrR]

I guess you missed my (much) earlier post where I stated my belief that the choice could be made AFTER corporal death; with all options laid plainly in front of the (quite shocked non-believer).

I believe I did. Thanks for the correction.

I have done that exact thing with Marzipan.

Interesting. Might I ask why? Does your wife have an unhealthy addiction to it?

And 101A, you forgot to answer my earlier question... if God said to you you'd be getting serviced an hour from now, would you try to prove him wrong?

[vy65]

Some proof for the latter and normally when I am told that 'in the name of God that I am to keep to something without blemish' that means to not ad lib.

You're ignoring the word "this" in that passage - with "this" referring to the following: But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses.

Quite frankly, how do you figuratively interpret like:



without blemish?

You're reading it wrong - and I personally am ok with gender roles.

[vy65]

Do you want it for curiosity or validation?

Both, I guess. Does it matter?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You're ignoring the word "this" in that passage - with "this" referring to the following: But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses.



You're reading it wrong - and I personally am ok with gender roles.

So says you 'this' just refers to that which preceded it does not denote a particular quan y. As for the latter I did not read it in any way other than what was posted. Glad to know that to you 'gender role' denotes submission.

[Blake]

Both, I guess. Does it matter?

So a bible verse telling you that the bible is legit would do it for you?

[vy65]

So says you 'this' just refers to that which preceded it does not denote a particular quan y. As for the latter I did not read it in any way other than what was posted. Glad to know that to you 'gender role' denotes submission.

What I quoted was the preceeding part - and - what part of any of that says one should take the bible literally?

And lol submission - are you keeping mental notes?

[vy65]

So a bible verse telling you that the bible is legit would do it for you?

No, why would it?

[vy65]

Fuzzy, are you familiar with the practice of pegging?

[Blake]

And 101A, you forgot to answer my earlier question... if God said to you you'd be getting serviced an hour from now, would you try to prove him wrong?

God claiming 101A's will crow?

Peter says thumbs up

[Blake]

No, why would it?

Then again, why ask for it?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What I quoted was the preceeding part - and - what part of any of that says one should take the bible literally?

And lol submission - are you keeping mental notes?

The quote is the last paragraph of 2nd Timothy, the entire work was precedent.

the quote on gender roles, specifically outlines submission.

Heres some more and there is quite a bit when they talk about false prophets

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.

O Timothy, guard the deposit entrusted to you. Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called “knowledge,” for by professing it some have swerved from the faith. Grace be with you.

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book,

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

[rascal]

Right, when I ask those questions to myself, I don't like the answers.

When I ask others these tough questions, they get pissed and take them as fighting words.



The implication there being that God wanted man to sin.

No God did not want man to sin. If he created man incapable of sin he might as well created a robot. Free will makes man what he is.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy, are you familiar with the practice of pegging?

Not through personal experience.

[vy65]

Then again, why ask for it?

I dunno, you brought it up.

[vy65]

Again, none of those quotes discuss what we're talking about. They're, like you said, about false prophets -- not how one should read the biblical text.

Would you be ok with a woman pegging you?

[rascal]

Why couldn't free will be exercised in heaven? Or is there no free will in heaven?

There is no evil in heaven so no desire to commit sin. It was cast out with Satan and his followers. Evil is not allowed to exist in Heaven. That is what makes Heaven, Heaven.