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Yes, but you didn't answer my question.
It gives insight as to Baron's inability to control his weight. 31 years old, still in the prime of most players' career, and still under contract for a lot of money. And he balloons up to 260. Shows the lack of discipline to control his weight that he had suffered for much of his career.
Let's go back to 2008 after Baron played all 82 games in 2007-08 and put up 20/8 for the Golden State Warriors. Doing all those things you say a fat player can't do. Then why did Baron Davis choose to go on a Jenny Craig weight loss program?
http://www.people.com/people/article...228478,00.html
A quote in the above article exemplifies Baron's inability to stay healthy and in good shape in the off season.
Baron Davis himself can admit he's a pig with no self control. Why are you taking up for him?During the NBA off-season, Davis let his fitness slide. "In the off-season, it's kind of hard to maintain day-to-day," he says. "I don't want to get up and cook. And when I pig out, I'm the type of person where there's no limit to what I can do."
Yes, but you didn't answer my question.
Because when Baron first started having injury problems he played at 215, not 260. You need to come to grips with understanding that.
Back to 2003.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/column...arc&id=1673111
Baron Davis 24 years old, still with the Hornets.
Why would he need to lose 10-15 pounds to get healthier and in better shape when he was only 24 years old? Take note of the last sentence in the quote. Baron Davis in 2003 at 24 years old already knew and admitted he was playing overweight and it affect his back and knees.Baron Davis, New Orleans.
Approximate weight loss: 10 to 15 pounds.
What he's doing with his newfound thinness: Reports started circulating in the summer, around the time of Magic Johnson's annual charity game, that Davis was looking better than ever. "Cut up" is how one witness described it. The first month of the season has only confirmed those reports, with Davis quickly vaulting into the league's top five in scoring (25.0), assists (8.1), steals (2.9) and minutes (40.4). The Hornets, as a result, are off to an 11-5 start despite the injury absence of Jamal Mashburn, with Baron transforming the team from a slow-down, post-up operation to a team that scores in transition and bombs away from outside. To wit: Baron has hit 61 triples already ... nearly double the total of the league's No. 2 triples hitter (Miami's Eddie Jones, with 32). Yet, sadly, there's no magic pill that gets results like Davis got over the summer. He worked out for several hours a day, five or six times a week, with a personal trainer. Davis also hired a chef to prepare healthier meals because he realized it was no fun playing overweight, which meant playing with a bad back and sore knees.
Why can Baron Davis acknowledge and admit it, and you're still here trying to refute it?
Still missing my point that because already having injuries issues with his knees, to help prevent further injuries, he could have helped himself stay healthier had he consistently watched his weight.
He admitted it as early as 2003 as I just posted. Specifically stated it affected his back and knees. Weight kept fluctuating. Had to go on a Jenny Craig diet later. Ballooned up to 260 at one point. Admitted he pigged out in the off season. Yet you're still here arguing weight wasn't the issue for Baron.
For 's sake, Baron Davis disagrees with you.
Yep, Have to agree
If baron conditioned himself better he would have had a longer prime.
You saying 10 pounds made all the difference in the world when his injury problems started in college at a mere 190lbs makes you a chicken and an asshole. Baron was injury prone from the beginning and it's really a trajedy for real basketball fans, you're en led to your opinion but that doesn't make you any less of an asshole.
I think, not that I am taking his side, because Jam is capable of fight his own battles ...that those 10-15 lbs. would HELP. Tmac is not fat he is skinny and had health issues. Mark Jackson was a bulky PG (Andre Miller too) but was remarkably healthy. But He never had major knee issues and that is why many think Baron would of been wise to stay dedicated to maintaining his playing weight as much as possible, even in the off-season.
So are stating that Baron had brittle bones? Is that what you believe? What do you believe made Baron "injure prone".
Whenever a guy who was a unique talent and potential to be a top talent of all time at his position has his career derailed by injury, you just don't come in and start talking the guy tbh. Dude sustained his first injury as a skinny college kid and wasn't always prone to weight issues. His extreme athleticism and style of play had at LEAST as much to do with it.
What you did is akin to me coming in and saying "imagine what len bias could have done if he just put down the cocaine." It was unfortunate and only an asshole would make either comment. The thread is about players who had the talent but for whatever reason didn't make it work, not "weren't able to put their talent to its best use because disaster struck."
his style of play and the extreme stress that his kind of athleticism puts on the body. for example, i'm a high jumper, throwing down all kinds of sick dunks back in the day even when i was only like a 5'9 freshman and believe me, being super athletic has a downside. now i'm 23 and my knees always ache. i firmly believe that if i wasn't jumping so high for all those years my knees wouldn't have aged so quickly.
Sure 10 pounds can make a difference. But that's also being generous with how much he weight at different points in his career. The only report I saw of 260 was that 2010 link. But Baron playing at 225-230 earlier in his career is no guarantee either. What if you found out that in his later Hornets days, he was up to 250+? What about with the Warriors, would it surprise you if he had gotten up to 250 too? I was being generous by saying only 225.
I already provided a source that Baron acknowledge his weight problems as early as 2003 at 24 years of age. Later after his last season with the Warriors, he went on a Jenny Craig diet. This isn't something that only became an issue in 2010. He admitted playing overweight affected his back and knees. He admitted he pigged out in the off season.
It's obvious you refuse to acknowledge these things, so I guess there's no backing down for you. But as I said a few times already, Baron Davis himself has admitted that weight has been an issue in his career. And if he can admit it, I don't see the need for you to refute it.
But if you ignore all those things, it still comes down to the best case scenario in using preventative measures for future injuries. If Baron Davis was a perfect work horse in the gym and stayed in great condition throughout his entire career, he still could get injured. Sure. But once you have some history of injury, you need to work even harder to give yourself the best chance to stay healthy and injury free. His weight fluctuation his entire career didn't give him the best chance to do that. Could he still have gotten injured regardless? Yup. There is no absolute here. But his weight absolutely didn't help his chances to do so. And there's a very good possibility that it hurt those chances.
Please. Baron Davis NEVER played at 250. I watched the games, I saw him. never more than 225 at TOPS.
fattier players are less likely to get injured in collisions though, fat ain't no bad thing in sports games tbh
I disagree. And unless you had a scale weighing him every year, you can't prove it. During his seasons with the Golden State Warriors especially, I definitely think he played well over 225.
Ok, I can concur with this argument. You just explained the demis of Shawn Kemp's career and eventually Blake Griffins. That being said, Baron could have altered his game a bit, could he? Maybe develop a consistent jump shop etc.., he was already a pretty good passer.
And also do you believe it was a coincident Barons career began to tank in LA?
Golden state was well after his career was already derailed due to injury, so even if he weighed 300 in your fairytale mind it wouldn't really help your case. Dude's career got derailed with the Hornets and he never really returned to form except for glimpses here and there, like the 2007 playoffs unfortunately for me.
Yeah I always thought it was pretty evident that Baron never wanted to play with the Clippers. Dude looked unmotivated as I've ever seen him, just flat out bored out there.
You ignore the 2003 24 year old Baron Davis with the Hornets who decided to lose 10-15 pounds because he realized that playing overweight affected his back and knees. Weight was an issue before 2010, before the Golden State Warriors. Baron Davis himself admitted it. I already posted it. You ignore it.
Well just have to agree to disagree then Jamstone because I believe that his unique athleticism and style of play had AT LEAST if not more to do with his injuries than weight. Tbh dude could have been one of the best ever at his position and I view his career as a real tragedy. He was an elite defender when motivated, quicker and stronger than other pg's, great passer, ball handler, and all around playmaker. One of those guys who was so hard to guard because he was unpredictable, you never knew what baron was gonna do with the ball.
When a 24 year old Baron Davis himself admits he had been playing overweight and that it affected his back and knees and you still want to argue it wasn't an issue, I guess there's just no convincing you.
i think it could have been an issue but it definitely wasn't THE issue. and i wouldnt be a got and come in here and make that comment. it's a tragedy for real basketball fans, not something to scoff about. i don't believe it was all or even mostly his fault.
players pick injuries which're part of the game, it ain't the fault of being too skinny or too fatty imho. obesity & skinniness both come with risks, mean if you're too skinny you're easier to get broke in collisions and if you're too fat your knees & other joints wear out sooner.
too little fat in the joints is also bad for them too, increases your risk for arthritis and other joint problems.
lolwut?
What I initially said about Baron Davis was that he was a beast when he was healthy and that I felt that he could have helped avoid some of his injuries if he kept his weight down. Not only was I not scoffing at Baron Davis, I brought him up because I thought he was so exceptionally talented. Smh. You took the things I said about Baron as scoffing and insulting. That wasn't where I was going with it at all. I do believe he could have helped himself more by staying in better shape. But I fail to see how what I've said would make you so upset. Shrugs.
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