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    Believe. Calispursfan11's Avatar
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    There is a combination of bad goings on here for the Lakeshow this season including but not limited to in no particular order :

    - Mike Brown is not as good as Phil Jackson, and regardless of how much he adjusts, he will not be half a Zen Master.

    - The Lakers have nine players over 30! Kobe 33, Pau 31, Metta World Book Encyclopedia 32, Fisher 37, Blake 31, Barnes 31, Kapono 30, Walton 31, Murphy 31. They are freakin' old!

    - Despite his prolific averages, Kobe has become more of a chucker than ever, leading the lead in FGs attempted by a large margin while shooting a mediocre percentage.

    - Pau and Bynum are not on board with the Kobe System . Still a force in the middle when motivated, Gasol and Bynum appear to have openly criticized the Kobe system, which has been limiting their touches and higher probability of a made FG per possession than Kobe's chucking.

    - Related to the Kobe System, team unity and synergy is lacking under Brown and Kobe. I also wonder what happened to Brown's suggestion that the offense would be less Kobe-Centric. We know Kobe has always run the show to an extent but I wonder how much more Brown is than simply a blob in a suit on the bench at this point.

    - Almost non-existent bench, or at least non-existent motivation on the bench

    - Gave away Odom for nothing

    Championships are looking farther and farther away in the rearview mirror for LA, at least as long as the Kobe System remains in place. For these reasons and others, it may be a good time for the Lakers to think about blowing it up completely now. What do you think? Can their elite window remain open in the Kobe era?

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    Kobe is the brett favre of his team tired old te bag who got caught sending pics needs to retire

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    O & 44!!! Now, go back &
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    I'm a trend setter.

    I set trends.

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    #FreeGiuseppe BlackSwordsMan's Avatar
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    finals MVPS?

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    Mike Brown is reigning in Kobe like he did LeBron. Interestingly, the Lakers, once known as an almost unstopable offense have only scored 100 points 3 times this year. Only the Bobcats and Pistons have done it fewer times. The Spurs, in contrast, even without Ginobili for 22 games have scored 100 14 times. Keep on shooting Kobe...

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    O & 44!!! Now, go back &
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    Mike Brown is reigning in Kobe like he did LeBron. Interestingly, the Lakers, once known as an almost unstopable offense have only scored 100 points 3 times this year. Only the Bobcats and Pistons have done it fewer times. The Spurs, in contrast, even without Ginobili for 22 games have scored 100 14 times. Keep on shooting Kobe...
    ...you guys have been pisser since Pop benched the tired old bag Duncan.

    tee, hee.

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    Their window closed last year when the Mavs swept them. They are obviously not going to win this year. Their golden ticket was handed over to the Clippers, instead of having Paul they have 2 slow PG's above their 30's running the offense. They are slow, old and tired and their best trading chip is over the hill with a toxic contract. Trading Odom was their biggest mistake this season. People say he would be useless even with the Lakers this year. I disagree, I think playing in LA with his teammates was Lamar's refuge. Laker fans loved Lamar and Lamar love Los Angeles.



    The Lakers will enjoy a couple more 50 win seasons and fwiw, I think Kobe will continue to entertain Laker fans, but hoping for anything more than a playoff berth is just wishful thinking.

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    ...you guys have been pisser since Pop benched the tired old bag Duncan.

    tee, hee.
    Brown should do the same to Kobe, Gasol, Bynum and Fisher, well Fisher has an excuse, he's old.

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    There is a combination of bad goings on here for the Lakeshow this season including but not limited to in no particular order :


    - Pau and Bynum are not on board with the Kobe System
    . Still a force in the middle when motivated, Gasol and Bynum appear to have openly criticized the Kobe system, which has been limiting their touches and higher probability of a made FG per possession than Kobe's chucking.


    What do you think? Can their elite window remain open in the Kobe era?
    here's an official rebuttal from an elite Laker fan:

    Let me tell you why this strategy sucks.

    1. We don't have a PG that can make those entry passes
    2. Bynum can't handle double teams(they send it every time)
    3. We do not have outside shooters
    4. Our movement off-ball is absolutely terrible
    5. No spacing with Metta Fisher and Barnes all getting a lot of minutes


    This happens every game. Our first option is to always go inside, we either:

    1. Can't make the pass - ends with Kobe bail out

    If by some miracle we make the pass

    2. Bynum is double teamed, and either of the following happens:

    a) He turns the ball over
    b) He attacks the double and misses the shot
    c) He makes the wrong pass and we don't get an open shot - Kobe bail out
    d) He makes the right pass, but it's to Metta/Fisher/Barnes/Blake and they miss

    Assuming that it's actually Pau that we're going inside to, if by some miracle we make the pass

    3. Pau is single covered, and

    a) Holds onto the ball for 10 seconds after jab stepping a million times and then passes it to Kobe for a bail out shot

    b) Shoots a jumper falling away from the basket
    c) Passes it out to Metta/Fisher/Barnes/Blake and they miss
    d) Gets the ball slapped away


    That's what happens when the offense is ran through our bigs.

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    O & 44!!! Now, go back &
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    Brown should do the same to Kobe, Gasol, Bynum and Fisher, well Fisher has an excuse, he's old.
    ^They didn't quit like the tired old bag Duncan did.

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    Zip it up and Zip it out. WeNeedLength's Avatar
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    ^They didn't quit like the tired old bag Duncan did.

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    O & 44!!! Now, go back &
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    The Lakers will enjoy a couple more 50 win seasons and fwiw, I think Kobe will continue to entertain Laker fans, but hoping for anything more than a playoff berth is just wishful thinking.
    The silver lining? Every single time we're in the last place I'll look around and I'll have 28 mother ers sittin' in the same place.

    It's not making the playoffs & winning the last game I play,,,but, it's the next best thing.

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    I'm a trend setter.

    I set trends.
    How 'bout we start a new trend?

    Let's call Kobe a Banged Up Old . Works for me.

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    Dragon style JamStone's Avatar
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    If teams thought this way, then every year 25 or teams should throw in the towel and tank because they don't have a legitimate chance at winning a le. This year, every team except Miami, Chicago, and OKC should throw in the towel because really those are the three teams that look like they have legitimate chances to win a le and no other team.

    It's just a ridiculous notion, troll job or not.

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    If teams thought this way, then every year 25 or teams should throw in the towel and tank because they don't have a legitimate chance at winning a le. This year, every team except Miami, Chicago, and OKC should throw in the towel because really those are the three teams that look like they have legitimate chances to win a le and no other team.

    It's just a ridiculous notion, troll job or not.
    Actually that's not true at all. Almost every team that makes the PO's has a shot. Not saying that they'll win it but you never know. How many people gave the Mavs a chance to win it last year?

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    You misread my point. I said "IF TEAMS THOUGHT THIS WAY."

    That's why I disagree with the suggestions of the original post. Teams shouldn't throw in the towel because you never know what could happen in the playoffs. Plenty of things change from this point of the season to the beginning of the playoffs, not the least of which are injuries to key players and trades that happen at the trade deadline, that end up changing a lot of things for teams.

    But if teams threw in the towel one-third of the way through the season, then it would be 25 or so every year throwing in the towel. But that's why I disagree with it.

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    The playoffs are much more favorable to older teams. Much more time between games. Will help both the Lakers and Mavs.

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    For these reasons and others, it may be a good time for the Lakers to think about blowing it up completely now. What do you think?
    I think the Lakers still have Bryant, Gasol, and Bynum. Anyone that believes that they have no shot based on some regular season struggles is kidding themselves. The Lakers will be a tough out for any team in the playoffs.

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    LA threw in the towel the minute they picked Mike Brown over Brian Shaw.

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    LA threw in the towel the minute they picked Mike Brown over Brian Shaw.
    Are you convinced the Lakers would be much better off with Brian Shaw? Because Mike Brown is that bad? Or because Brian Shaw would not have changed much of the philosophy under Phil Jackson? Or other reasons? I don't think any of us know how good of a head coach Brian Shaw would be.

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    Shaw certainly was an unknown, but better to give a chance to a promising assistant running an offense that brought the team 5 rings than hire someone who was pretty awful in his other gig. That team is way too talented to be scoring 93PPG. Sure, losing Odom is a kick in the nuts, but otherwise it's the same team that won 57 games last season and was an offensive juggernaut.

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    Only thing I like about Shaw is he has the balls to tell Kobe to stop shooting, and Kobe respects Shaw. MB doesn't have that in him. Mike Brown is Kobe's dream coach tbh. Kobe can take as many shots as he wants under this system with no accountability.

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    I think the Lakers still have Bryant, Gasol, and Bynum. Anyone that believes that they have no shot based on some regular season struggles is kidding themselves. The Lakers will be a tough out for any team in the playoffs.
    They are done. The twin tower experiment has failed two years in a row.

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    Shaw certainly was an unknown, but better to give a chance to a promising assistant running an offense that brought the team 5 rings than hire someone who was pretty awful in his other gig. That team is way too talented to be scoring 93PPG. Sure, losing Odom is a kick in the nuts, but otherwise it's the same team that won 57 games last season and was an offensive juggernaut.
    Where's the offensive talent outside of the Big 3? I'd love to know.

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    here's an official rebuttal from an elite Laker fan:

    Let me tell you why this strategy sucks.

    1. We don't have a PG that can make those entry passes
    2. Bynum can't handle double teams(they send it every time)
    3. We do not have outside shooters
    4. Our movement off-ball is absolutely terrible
    5. No spacing with Metta Fisher and Barnes all getting a lot of minutes


    This happens every game. Our first option is to always go inside, we either:

    1. Can't make the pass - ends with Kobe bail out

    If by some miracle we make the pass

    2. Bynum is double teamed, and either of the following happens:

    a) He turns the ball over
    b) He attacks the double and misses the shot
    c) He makes the wrong pass and we don't get an open shot - Kobe bail out
    d) He makes the right pass, but it's to Metta/Fisher/Barnes/Blake and they miss

    Assuming that it's actually Pau that we're going inside to, if by some miracle we make the pass

    3. Pau is single covered, and

    a) Holds onto the ball for 10 seconds after jab stepping a million times and then passes it to Kobe for a bail out shot

    b) Shoots a jumper falling away from the basket
    c) Passes it out to Metta/Fisher/Barnes/Blake and they miss
    d) Gets the ball slapped away


    That's what happens when the offense is ran through our bigs.
    Holy ! A post about actual basketball from Kool! Mark your calendars everyone.

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