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1. M. Jordan
2. M. Johnson
3. K. Abdul-Jabbar
4. B. Russell
5. L. Bird
6. S. O'Neal
7. K. Bryant
8. T. Duncan
9. W. Chamberlain
10. H. Olajuwon
Let's see how biased some of you people are.
1. M. Jordan
2. M. Johnson
3. K. Abdul-Jabbar
4. B. Russell
5. L. Bird
6. S. O'Neal
7. K. Bryant
8. T. Duncan
9. W. Chamberlain
10. H. Olajuwon
another top 10 thread.
cool thread bro, no one ever thought of that
1) Jordan
2) Kareem
3) Hakeem
4) Bird
5) Magic
6) Shaq
7) Big ty
8) Wilt
9) Oscar
10) Wade/Garnett
Kobe and Duncan above Hakeem?
Kobe's not top 10. Sorry bro
I'll just cut and paste my response to Deuce from the other thread when he asked me my top ten:
I'll be serious with you for a moment and say that I personally believe top ten lists are essentially a useless exercise. It's impossible to quantify one player being better than another when there's an infinite number of factors that can affect how a player's "greatness" is perceived. Ralph Sampson doesn't get injured and Hakeem Olajuwon is possibly the GOAT. Seattle doesn't trade away Scottie Pippen to the Bulls, Jordan could very well be ringless.
That said, I would say Jordan and Kareem are the two greatest players of all-time. Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Russell, and Wilt round out the top ten in no particular order, as I believe building around any of these players with the right pieces gives you a good chance at the le, but I would lean toward the bigs (Shaq, Duncan, Dream, Wilt, and to an extent, Russell) since it's much easier to build around big men than it is guards.
Russell is so overrated. Glorified Ben Wallace who was surrounded by all stars to cover up his deficiencies.
Agreed
except I think Magic's better than Kareem though
You can only judge him for what he did in his era
11 championships and the best defender of that era
I don't understand that of all people a Spurs fan is laughing at this
you would think otherwise
Horry has 7 rings and was a role player. You can't judge off of rings either.
Bill Russell is the hardest player to evaluate. He's either one of those players who was overrated for the reasons you mentioned or was simply greater than the sum of his parts. We have to remember that he won back-to-back National Championships at the unheralded San Francisco University, while Wilt, the stat monster, playing against the same "unathletic honkies" couldn't even get to the Finals at Kansas.
Also, his supporting cast in '69 (aside from Havlicek) was underwhelming. Those Celtics were heavy underdogs against the Lakers and yet they won. Russell retired afterward, and the next season, the Celts were 14 games worse.
Sure, 60s Bill Russell would probably be a glorified Ben Wallace in the modern game, but if he was given the benefits of the game's evolution, you're looking at a player with Amare Stoudemire's offense, Duncan's basketball IQ, KG's passing, and Ben Wallace's defense. Definitely a MVP caliber player and a championship centerpiece.
yeah, he was a glorified defender who performed one component of his team well (anchoring the defense) while the all stars who surrounded him masked his deficiencies while doing all the scoring. All done in his era.
Top 5 from the ones I saw:
1-Shaq
2-Duncan
3-Lebron
4-Kobe
5-Garnett
I saw Jordan's last three peat but I was too young and I didn't analyze it, I just enjoyed it.
It's not at all intellectually honest to assume that he would have evolved into a superplayer with some of the best qualities of all those guys mentioned if he played 40 years later. He is what he is. According to your line of thinking, I know of this caveman who played an early version of a sport similar to basketball and if you consider how good he was in his time and adjust for evolution, he'd be the undisputed goat
Realistically I think it's safe to assume that if Bill were born today, he'd be marginally better than what he was then. We're talking Ben Wallace, not Shaquille O'neal.
Stopping the opposing team from scoring is just as important as scoring yourself. You could argue Russell masked their defensive deficiencies. And it's not like Russell was incompetent offensively. He did average 16 a game in the playoffs and was consistently among the top 10/20 in FG% (45% was a strong percentage back then, believe it or not).
I understand the position of Russell's detractors, but for his era, he was as dominant defensively as Wilt was offensively, and people put Wilt on their top ten seemingly automatically (never mind the fact his rough post game wouldn't translate to anywhere near the kind of scoring he experienced in his era. 60s Wilt would probably average 18-20 a game today), so why not Russell?
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Hakeem Olajuwon
8. Tim Duncan
9. Kobe Bryant
10. Bill Russell
The ten best in my mind are probably Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Hakeem, Russell, Chamberlain, Oscar, Duncan, Shaq, and Kobe. No idea how exactly I would order them 1-10. I used to be a believer that Jordan was the greatest of all time, but I think that spot really belongs to Kareem. He won as many les as Jordan, and had a far superior college career. They outlawed the dunk because of this guy. He is also the NBA's all time leading scorer. I believe Jordan's contributions off the court factor to heavily in most people's minds.
if wilt would average 20, russell would average about 5-8
1.MJ
2.Kareem
3.Magic
4.Wilt
5.Bird
6.Hakeem
7.Russell
8.Shaq
9.Duncan
10.Kobe/Oscar Robinson cant decide yet.
Proud of some of you spur fans who realize Hakeem > Duncan
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