Tony Parker's 4th All-Star Selection

[will_spurs]

A couple of funny stats for Parker:

Most playoff games all-time, age 26 or younger:
Tony Parker = 122
Kobe Bryant = 119
Lebron James = 92

Kobe leads the list for most playoff games of all time at any age between 18 and 25 (Parker is 2nd), Tony leads the 26-28 bracket.

Parker's career highs in points are 55 (reg season) and 43 (playoffs). Duncan has 53 and 41, Manu has 48 and 39.

[timvp]

Since I'm in a nostalgic mood this morning:

"Chris Whitney > Tony Parker"

Good times.

Or:

Jamaal Tinsley > Tony Parker

[Leetonidas]

Udrih > Parker

[DPG21920]

I agree with Chump though, while it may be close I believe TP already sealed his place in the HOF. Both he and Manu are in at this point.

[cantthinkofanything]

I agree with Chump though, while it may be close I believe TP already sealed his place in the HOF. Both he and Manu are in at this point.

Unless Parker sleeps with Red Aurbach's wife.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Great thread, thanks all.

And props to TP, he deserves every bit of what he's accomplished, and more. He's a warrior who has continually improved his game and plays big in the 4th Q. He's also always thrived against other top PGs. TPs a stone cold winner.

[MI21]

Since I'm in a nostalgic mood this morning:

"Chris Whitney > Tony Parker"

Good times.

Far out, that's right. Where is Ghost?

"Matt Harpring > Bruce Bowen" while we're at it.

I also remember quite a large SpursReport movement for "Trade Parker for B. Haywood."

[elbamba]

I think Parker will get into the HoF regardless of any future accolades. He's a 3 time NBA champion, Finals MVP, Rookie first team, NBA third team, 4 time All Star.

Not to mention he's a 6 ft 2 guard who's shooting nearly .500 on 17 ppg for his career. A lot of people have got in on less than him.

Add to this that he is a French PG. I have no facts to back this up but I am going to guess that there are not many French players or PGs in the HOF.

[Agloco]

The only reason Manu makes it (if he does) is based on his overall international career overseas. Overall he doesn't have a very impressive NBA resume (other than 3 NBA championships he won just because he was on this team). As for Tony, I can see Tony making it. He's been racking up the NBA achievements and if he can accomplish a medal overseas I can see that sealing it for him.

lol marginalizing Manus achievements.

[will_spurs]

Add to this that he is a French PG. I have no facts to back this up but I am going to guess that there are not many French players or PGs in the HOF.

There's no French inductee in the HOF.

Although people like to rant about international scrubs getting in the HoF while "great" US/NB players don't get in, this view is not supported by facts.

Of 86 coaches, 8 were born outside the US.
Of 58 contributors, 10 were born outside the US.
Of 151 players, 11 were born outside the US.
Of 13 referees, 1 only was born outside the US.

Furthermore most of the international inductees are from Canada (e.g. Naismith as a contributor, or the only foreign-born ref), and as usual place of birth takes precedence over nationality for whatever reason, meaning that e.g. Dominique Wilkins counts as one of the 11 foreign-born player inductees because he was born in France. Duncan will similarly be listed as foreign-born (whereas Noah wouldn't, if he ever were to make the HOF).

For the record among the 11 players: 3 from former Soviet Union; 3 from former Yugoslavia; 1 from Italy; 2 from Brazil; 1 from Canada; and Dominique Wilkins.

So Manu would be first Argentine to make it, too; Dirk the first German, etc.

It's pretty clear that the list of international inductees is going to explode 10 years or so from now (Nash, Duncan, Dirk, Manu, Tony).

I think it's also clear that it's less and less likely that players will get in based on a strong college "career" if they don't manage to be dominant in the NBA as well.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...l_Hall_of_Fame

[FromWayDowntown]

I think it's also clear that it's less and less likely that players will get in based on a strong college "career" if they don't manage to be dominant in the NBA as well.

I think this is clearly true. Not too many years ago, both Ralph Sampson and Christian Laettner would have been no-brainers for enshrinement. Each was a transcendent collegiate player and an NBA All-Star at least once (Sampson was an All-Star 5 times; Laettner made one all-star team, in 1997). If Bill Bradley is in, each of those guys probably should be in as well, but I don't think Laettner has any chance and Sampson's chances seem only slightly better (though he was at least a finalist in 2011).

So Manu would be first Argentine to make it, too; Dirk the first German, etc.

It's pretty clear that the list of international inductees is going to explode 10 years or so from now (Nash, Duncan, Dirk, Manu, Tony).

I agree that there will be more and more players from nations other than the United States who earn enshrinement, but I think there's a question about how they become finalists that will bear on just how many players from Europe, Africa, South America, and Asia get in and at what rate.

The basketball Hall of Fame's process is very different than the processes in other sports. At the basketball hall, there are 4 "screening committees" that make recommendations for enshrinement to a second committee that ultimately decides who gets in. There's a "North American" committee, a Women's committee, a Veteran's committee, and an international committee. Each of those committees has a specific number of candidates it can put forward each year. The North American committee can offer as many as 10 finalists each year; the international committee can only offer 2 each year. The finalists from each of the 4 committees are forwarded to the honors committee, which then votes; even at this final level, the international finalists and the North American finalists are considered differently.

Timmy and Nash will both have to go through the North American committee on the road to becoming finalists. I'll be curious to see how things go, territorially, between the international committee and the North American committee with players who are from other parts of the world, but whose basketball achievements have occurred mostly in North America. Does Dirk go in as a finalist from the North American committee? I would think there's a strong argument for that. There isn't really a wholly apt analogy in the Hall yet, but Hakeem Olajuwon might be close; he was made a finalist by the North American committee in 2008, which allowed the International committee to put up 2 Brazilians. Of course, by that point, Hakeem had gained United States citizenship and that might have been sufficient to reroute him. Still, I tend to think that because Hakeem was going in based almost entirely upon his NBA and collegiate achievements, he was truly a North American candidate. If guys like Dirk or Dikembe Mutombo go through the North American committee when their turns come, there is more room for the international committee to nominate players with more modest NBA accomplishments.

[TJastal]

Far out, that's right. Where is Ghost?

"Matt Harpring > Bruce Bowen" while we're at it.

I also remember quite a large SpursReport movement for "Trade Parker for B. Haywood."

There's been alot of Parker trade rumors throughout the years. I should know, I started one or two myself.

But only Haywood? I would have at least gotten JJ Barea along with him.

[FromWayDowntown]

duncan will be listed as a foreign born player? oh when did we lose the US Virgin Islands???????

I've never understood it, either, but USVI does have it's own teams in international compe ions.

Tim Duncan, who is ineligible to play for USVI, chose not to play against them in the 2003 Tournament of the Americas and caught a lot of for that decision.

[Brazil]

There's no French inductee in the HOF.

Although people like to rant about international scrubs getting in the HoF while "great" US/NB players don't get in, this view is not supported by facts.

Of 86 coaches, 8 were born outside the US.
Of 58 contributors, 10 were born outside the US.
Of 151 players, 11 were born outside the US.
Of 13 referees, 1 only was born outside the US.

Furthermore most of the international inductees are from Canada (e.g. Naismith as a contributor, or the only foreign-born ref), and as usual place of birth takes precedence over nationality for whatever reason, meaning that e.g. Dominique Wilkins counts as one of the 11 foreign-born player inductees because he was born in France. Duncan will similarly be listed as foreign-born (whereas Noah wouldn't, if he ever were to make the HOF).

For the record among the 11 players: 3 from former Soviet Union; 3 from former Yugoslavia; 1 from Italy; 2 from Brazil; 1 from Canada; and Dominique Wilkins.

So Manu would be first Argentine to make it, too; Dirk the first German, etc.

It's pretty clear that the list of international inductees is going to explode 10 years or so from now (Nash, Duncan, Dirk, Manu, Tony).

I think it's also clear that it's less and less likely that players will get in based on a strong college "career" if they don't manage to be dominant in the NBA as well.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...l_Hall_of_Fame

Wilkins is French !!!

[MI21]

There's been alot of Parker trade rumors throughout the years. I should know, I started one or two myself.

But only Haywood? I would have at least gotten JJ Barea along with him.

This was Parker for Haywood in 02/03. Ridiculous stuff.