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what fraud? please be specific.
I think it's just all an excuse so liberals can continue with the fraud.
what fraud? please be specific.
You never hear of it unless you listen to media outside of the mainstream media.
Here in Oregon, we had several incidents reported in the past. We have mail in voting. A few years back in Washington State, the current governor lost against the republican. they kept finding democrat ballots on the two or three recounts to put her over the top. One set of ballots found were so su ions, people should have been investigated, gone to trial, and jailed. It was obvious fraud inside the elections office of King county.
You've heard of the dead voting... It's no joke. Without verification, people can vote under multiple names. You've seen incidents of ballot initiatives with obviously made up names. These same people with o integrity will game the voting as well.
Please... stop being so gullible. Just because we don't have direct examples doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's a system unchecked and too easily manipulated.
So it's just some you made up.
Sorry, Bush went on a crusade to find all the big bad voter fraud that you think the Democrats were perpetrating.
He didn't find .
It's not a problem. The only reason to support this scheme is to disenfranchise largely Democratic voters.
Maybe if those of you who don't believe it will stop accusing republicans of voter fraud...
Think about it. How many people claim there if fraud from the republicans, but then cry when the republicans want to put in measures to attempt to stop it? I see this hypocrisy as more evidence it's cheating being done by the left.
Again...big broad statements. Zero cites.
Then maybe the democrats need to stop crying about stolen elections.
what is the relation b/w Dems crying about stolen elections and you waving your hands about voter fraud? I can't see it.
ala boutons......confirmation bias precludes proof.
The way I see it, they complain about it, but then find excuses not to do anything about it. Tells me they just know there is cheating, but they also know they aren't cheating enough. Probably afraid they will lose too many votes in all elections if the cheating is stopped.
What is your opinion? Why do they cry about the chreating then find cause not to fix it?
Whatever.
Couldn't this all be an attempted fix to the democrats crying about stolen elections? Do you have a solution to the problem, or are you just going to make pointless one liners?
Still no cites of crying about "stolen elections", or your foregone conclusion that "they cry about the chreating then find cause not to fix it".
Again....what problem?
WC's extreme non-problems
The few cases of voter fraud that have actually been prosecuted in the last decade -- Republican or Democrat -- were prosecuted under existing law. No new law is needed.
Don't get angry because you can't prove your case that one is needed.
Proposed voter ID amendment in Minnesota:
http://www.ourvoicescountmn.org/?page_id=32The Voter ID Amendment as proposed would: END ABSENTEE VOTING AND SAME-DAY VOTER REGISTRATION AS WE KNOW IT.
DENY THE VOTE TO OUR TROOPS. Military IDS are not valid according to the proposed voter ID policy; active-duty sservicemembers defending our cons utional right to vote overseas may not be able to vote themselves.
PREVENT BALLOT ACCESS FOR MINNESOTANS WITHOUT A CURRENT ADDRESS ON THEIR ID. It is estimated that as many as one in 10 eligible voters in America do NOT have the kind of photo ID the amendment would require. That’s hundreds of thousands of voting-age Minnesotans who could be prevented from voting by this radical amendment:According to the Secretary of State’s office, the proposed photo ID amendment would affect more than 700,000 Minnesota voters. 215,000 registered voters who do not have a Minnesota drivers’ license or ID card with a CURRENT address on it, and another 500,000 eligible voters who use Election-Day registration.
- 18 percent of elderly citizens do not have a government-issued photo ID.
- 15 percent of people earning less than $35,000 a year do not have a photo ID.
- 18 percent of citizens aged 18-24 do not have a government-issued photo ID with their current name and address.
- 10 percent of voters with disabilities do not have a photo ID.
- 25 percent of voting-age African-American citizens do not have a current, government-issued photo ID.
Know the Facts about the Voter ID Amendment:
It’s INEFFECTIVE: Voter ID laws ONLY prevent voter impersonation, a crime for which NO ONE has ever been convicted in Minnesota.
It’s OVERLY RESTRICTIVE: The photo ID law envisioned for Minnesota would be even more restrictive than South Carolina’s, which the Department of Justice has sued to stop from taking effect. Minnesota would become the only state in the country where military IDs and passports could not be used to verify a legitimate voter’s iden y.
I don't trust what someone else says when they don't link the legislation. Do you? we only have the word of an activist.
Fair enough. Here is the text:
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbi...l&session=ls87
http://thecuckingstool.blogspot.com/...g-in-poke.htmlFirst, the Voter ID amendment was amended. Here are some of the important changes:
1) An effective date of July 30, 2013: Representatives of the Association of Minnesota Counties testified that this deadline would be nearly impossible to meet, since it would be up to the 2013 Legislature to clarify the amendment through legislation.
2) The insertion of the phrase "as much as is practicable": Bill author Senator Newman testified this was intended to provide flexibility, but as a practical matter it will be up to the courts to decide what's "practicable."
The end of these two items highlight the biggest procedural problem with this amendment. Not only is it bad policy, if it passes it will force the legislature to pass a statute that implements the amendment, and then there would undoubtedly be a court battle about that. In fact, Newman's primary response to "red herring" concerns like "what would be acceptable forms of ID?" and "how much would it cost?" was "it depends on what the next Legislature does." And then there's a real conundrum - what happens if the amendment passes, the Legislature passes a Voter ID statute and Governor Dayton vetoes it? The courts would then have to step in to provide guidance to local election officials trapped between the Minnesota Cons ution and the existing election statutes. It would be a mess of the highest order.
This is why legislating by amendment is a bad idea. In fact, it's not even legislating by amendment, it is amending to force legislation. This is not only an end run around the Governor, it ensures that people will be voting to support or oppose legislation that hasn't even been written yet. The Voter ID amendment is truly a pig in a poke.
http://www.kare11.com/news/article/9...hoto-ID-debateThe American Civil Liberties Union is using a cash reward to make a point about how clean Minnesota's elections system is.
Chuck Samuelson, who heads ACLU of Minnesota, carried $1,000 in cash to a State Capitol press conference Monday and offered it to anyone who can prove a case of voter impersonation in this state in the past 10 years.
"You must have proof of a legal charge, indictment or conviction for voter impersonation since January 1 of 2002," Samuelson told reporters. "Anecdotes, hearsay and unsubstantiated claims will not be accepted."
Samuelson asserted that cases of people posing as other voters -- the type of fraud voter ID systems are designed to prevent -- are virtually nonexistent in Minnesota.
"If you can't find a crime, why change the law?" Samuelson remarked. "Do we want to assume everyone is guilty of voter impersonation? And set a system up that's going to stop them from committing a crime we haven't been able to find yet?"
http://www.mndaily.com/2012/02/02/vo...-state-capitolA November 2010 report from Citizens for Election Integrity Minnesota found only seven cases of voter impersonation investigations since 2008.
Voter Registration Errors: 1 In 8 Files Contain Significant Mistakes, Study Finds
Some 24 million voter registrations in the United States contain significant errors, including about 1.8 million dead people still on the rolls and many more approved to vote in multiple states
About 2.7 million people have active registrations in multiple states, including about 2,000 people registered in four or more states, according to the Pew report. Elections officials said it is difficult to track when someone has moved to another state without canceling their previous registration.
Some 1.8 million deceased people are still listed as active voters, according to the study, which is based on a computer analysis of a proprietary voter database used by Democrats. Researchers believe 12.7 million records do not reflect the current addresses of active voters while 12 million contain address inaccuracies, including those that make it unlikely that mail could reach them.
Some states have adopted laws in the last couple years to require photo IDs to vote – hoping it would prevent fraud even though examples of such cheating are rare. That tactic was one the Brennan Center is directly opposing.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...comm_ref=false
And how is that harmful?
It doesn't disenfranchise the poor because it says the ID's will be free.
Seems to be a pretty clear statement of fact regarding the level of fraud involved. Care to provide a link to give the rest of us the information to conclude that the Democrats are probably afraid of losing elections if there was no fraud? Or
Or does the source of this sniglet happen to rhyme with "your grass"?
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