2001 Kobe Bryant vs. 2006 Dwyane Wade..

[Killakobe81]

Im just glad the REAL spur fans are providing me with proper perspective. They are right in 2001 if you not only watch what he did vs. SA but check what he did to Sacto those 2 series alone probably earns him 2nd best SG to Jordan status. I was blinded by the Finals by Wade, but Mavs reminded me of the FT love Wade got.

Sorry but Wade is 2nd best here ...

Thanks Mavs and REAL spur fans ...

[midnightpulp]

Im just glad the REAL spur fans are providing me with proper perspective. They are right in 2001 if you not only watch what he did vs. SA but check what he did to Sacto those 2 series alone probably earns him 2nd best SG to Jordan status. I was blinded by the Finals by Wade, but Mavs reminded me of the FT love Wade got.

Sorry but Wade is 2nd best here ...

Thanks Mavs and REAL spur fans ...

Real Spurs fans would also be aware of the fact Kirby beat up one of the tiest perimeters of all time in Danny Ferry, a way past his prime Steve Smith, and a way past his prime Terry Porter. There was no one who could defend Kobe and no one he had to defend, so he was able to devote 100% of his energy to the offensive end. Meanwhile, Shaq, had to deal with both Robinson (still a very good player) and prime Duncan down in the post, ON BOTH ENDS.

Shaq was the real MVP of that series.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Real Spurs fans would also be aware of the fact Kirby beat up one of the tiest perimeters of all time in Danny Ferry, a way past his prime Steve Smith, and a way past his prime Terry Porter. There was no one who could defend Kobe and no one he had to defend, so he was able to devote 100% of his energy to the offensive end. Meanwhile, Shaq, had to deal with both Robinson (still a very good player) and prime Duncan down in the post, ON BOTH ENDS.

Shaq was the real MVP of that series.

[Tiago Splitter]

Im just glad the REAL spur fans are providing me with proper perspective. They are right in 2001 if you not only watch what he did vs. SA but check what he did to Sacto those 2 series alone probably earns him 2nd best SG to Jordan status. I was blinded by the Finals by Wade, but Mavs reminded me of the FT love Wade got.

Sorry but Wade is 2nd best here ...

Thanks Mavs and REAL spur fans ...

Please you wanted to go with Kobe to begin with. Just didn't want to sound like a complete Kobe sucker but with a name like KillaKobe, it does that job already.

[dunkman]

2006 Dwayne Wade...

He carried Shaq

while Shaq carried 2001 Kobe.

[JamStone]

Real Spurs fans would also be aware of the fact Kirby beat up one of the tiest perimeters of all time in Danny Ferry, a way past his prime Steve Smith, and a way past his prime Terry Porter. There was no one who could defend Kobe and no one he had to defend, so he was able to devote 100% of his energy to the offensive end. Meanwhile, Shaq, had to deal with both Robinson (still a very good player) and prime Duncan down in the post, ON BOTH ENDS.

Shaq was the real MVP of that series.

Just looked it up, and in 2001, Steve Smith was still with Portland that season and not quite past his prime. Still a solid player, but doesn't matter because he wasn't defending Kobe for the Spurs. That was the playoffs where Derek Anderson got hurt by that Juwan Howard flagrant, so it would have been interesting to see if a healthy DA could have slowed Kobe down. And pretty sure the Spurs also had Antonio Daniels, who at the very least was young and athletic to also use against Kobe. Kobe was putting it on all defenders.

But in the previous two series for the Lakers, Kobe put up 30 points a game on 48% shooting and both the Kings and Blazers had better and more defenders trying to slow down Kobe, including guys like Doug Christie and Stacey Augmon. Kobe was killing it that entire playoffs.

In that Spurs series, Kobe didn't have the toughest match-up, but even so, the Spurs were still a really good defensive club and Kobe did what great players are supposed to do when they have a match-up advantage, destroy the other team. Pretty much everyone acknowledges that Kobe owned that playoff series, so I'm not sure why you want to go against the grain just to downplay Kobe's performance. Yes, Shaq in those years was unstoppable, but it was a given that Kobe was clearly the most outstanding player that series. I didn't think even Kobe critics would take that away from him.

[NewcastleKEG]

Give me Shaq

You can keep Wade & Kobe

[Koolaid_Man]

Give me Shaq

You can keep Wade & Kobe

Shaq and MJ would have fared worse then he Kobe....you have no ing idea......you're a floating gay front running ggot

[Koolaid_Man]

Real Spurs fans would also be aware of the fact Kirby beat up one of the tiest perimeters of all time in Danny Ferry, a way past his prime Steve Smith, and a way past his prime Terry Porter. There was no one who could defend Kobe and no one he had to defend, so he was able to devote 100% of his energy to the offensive end. Meanwhile, Shaq, had to deal with both Robinson (still a very good player) and prime Duncan down in the post, ON BOTH ENDS.

Shaq was the real MVP of that series.

I see you got jokes

[NewcastleKEG]

Shaq and MJ would have fared worse then he Kobe....you have no ing idea......you're a floating gay front running ggot

Yeah you know cause MJ ran coaches & players out of town

MJ driving to the hope and dishing to Shaq would be unstoppable. No one kept MJ out of the lane

[Koolaid_Man]

Yeah you know cause MJ ran coaches & players out of town

MJ driving to the hope and dishing to Shaq would be unstoppable. No one kept MJ out of the lane

You ing don't know about this game newbie... for as driven as MJ was he and Shaq would have lasted maybe 3 seasons. This is another reason I say Kobe will be MJ's equal if he rings once more...Shaq was demanded the ball and so did MJ so who stats do you think would suffer more Shaq's or MJ's...MJ's stats would be similiar to Kobe had he played with a lazy ass center who demanded the ball all the time..that is absolute fact in the absence of evidence...conjecture be damed...any sane person knows this...MJ would have been forced liked Kobe to pass the ball to the paint...so the conclusion for me is that Kobe ( as of today) is the 2nd greatest 2 guard in the history of the game 5th all time in scoring despite playing with a ball dominant Shaq..and it's the reason his numbers aren't even closer to MJ's...

[NewcastleKEG]

MJ was a superior shooter than Kobe so having wide open looks all the time wouldn't be an issue for him

Kobe is 5th all time because he never went to college, kiddo

[Koolaid_Man]

Yeah you know cause MJ ran coaches & players out of town

MJ driving to the hope and dishing to Shaq would be unstoppable. No one kept MJ out of the lane

and I forgot to mention that MJ took it a step further..He punched teammates in the face and called the flaming gots...In fact Bill Cartwright threatened to put MJ in a wheel chair if he ever disrespected him again..and guess what MJ didn't...

Here is your evidence..case closed...now shut the up ...MJ beating up on little white boys

[Huey Freeman]

You ing don't know about this game newbie... for as driven as MJ was he and Shaq would have lasted maybe 3 seasons. This is another reason I say Kobe will be MJ's equal if he rings once more...Shaq was demanded the ball and so did MJ so who stats do you think would suffer more Shaq's or MJ's...MJ's stats would be similiar to Kobe had he played with a lazy ass center who demanded the ball all the time..that is absolute fact in the absence of evidence...conjecture be damed...any sane person knows this...MJ would have been forced liked Kobe to pass the ball to the paint...so the conclusion for me is that Kobe ( as of today) is the 2nd greatest 2 guard in the history of the game 5th all time in scoring despite playing with a ball dominant Shaq..and it's the reason his numbers aren't even closer to MJ's...

Well we have no way of knowing that do we. Only evidence we have is MJ won 6 as the "main guy" and Kobe only won 2 (and lost 2). sucks it works out that way, but......that's they way it is.

[Killakobe81]

Please you wanted to go with Kobe to begin with. Just didn't want to sound like a complete Kobe sucker but with a name like KillaKobe, it does that job already.

NOPE. I say what I mean and mean what I say I already explained numerous times why I chose the name, u don't know means u r some noob or a ty troll ...

[mavsfan1000]

The 2006 refs always win against any single player.

[NewcastleKEG]

and I forgot to mention that MJ took it a step further..He punched teammates in the face and called the flaming gots...In fact Bill Cartwright threatened to put MJ in a wheel chair if he ever disrespected him again..and guess what MJ didn't...

Here is your evidence..case closed...now shut the up ...MJ beating up on little white boys

And he ran who out of town?

Bottomline:
MJ played college ball....he played at UNC surrounded with other OLDER talent. Whether he already had it in him or not, he was forced by Dean Smith to alter with his team. Expecting Jordan to be drafted on the ALL STAR team Kobe did, with Shaq who had already played in the championship game & not expect him to co exist would be foolish

Anyway, Jordan was humbled in high school when cut from the team. Kobe had a golden spoon in his mouth all through life until 2005 (aged 26) when Shaq was traded and guess what happened.....he watched the playoffs from home.

Kobe is a 2-time Finals LOSER, so I can't say he put personal glory ahead of the team in 2004 but Jordan would NEVER EVER sacrifice a championship to make a statement.

[Killakobe81]

And he ran who out of town?

Bottomline:
MJ played college ball....he played at UNC surrounded with other OLDER talent. Whether he already had it in him or not, he was forced by Dean Smith to alter with his team. Expecting Jordan to be drafted on the ALL STAR team Kobe did, with Shaq who had already played in the championship game & not expect him to co exist would be foolish

Anyway, Jordan was humbled in high school when cut from the team. Kobe had a golden spoon in his mouth all through life until 2005 (aged 26) when Shaq was traded and guess what happened.....he watched the playoffs from home.

Kobe is a 2-time Finals LOSER, so I can't say he put personal glory ahead of the team in 2004 but Jordan would NEVER EVER sacrifice a championship to make a statement.

Speculation...on both accounts. Kobe may just be a dumbass egomaniac may not have been proving a "point" ... and saying Jordan would not is beyond speculative.
Bottomline regardless is Mj is greater than Kobe. NO need to reach or to psychoanalyze. He has more rings, awards and better stats.