Now the main stream media is calling the rebels in Syria, many of them who are Al Qaeda, they call them "freedom fighters" And the american public actually eats that up as well
^ exhibit A
If Syrians wanted Ghadafi so much, they would've fought for him...
This is akin to saying Ron Paul can't round enough votes because of the media...
You mean Lybians.
Is that so? Will you fight and die to keep Obama in office if there is a rebellion and a Nato bombing?
How many of them are Al Qaeda?Now the main stream media is calling the rebels in Syria, many of them who are Al Qaeda, they call them "freedom fighters" And the american public actually eats that up as well
Does the exact number matter?
Libya was stable before the UN and US got in bet with the rebels.
I called in from the start...
Yes
People didn't fought here during the Civil War?
All it shows is that you have no idea about the socioeconomic situation in the middle east and the underlying cause of what has been dubbed the 'arab spring.'
there is a huge dispossessed population of men under 30 in the middle east that migrate from conflict to conflict. Beyond nomadic warfare of this nature being a millenium old tradition in the middle east, trying to pigeonhole their politics into 'AlQaeda' to try and paint them as antiwestern is at best naive.
Antiwestern is just a matter of degree over there.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/6/arab-a...-united-states
Funny, I didn't know NATO picked a side in the civil war and bombed the out of the other.
That' the whole point why NATO bombed Libya, cause the rebels had no chance.
now their excuse was cause civilians were gonna get slaughtered. After knowing what we know, I'm not so sure they were telling the truth.
there is a huge difference in the degree of disliking an empire to the degree of actually going there and bombing yourself to hurt them. Al Qaeda is the latter, their whole basis is for the latter. You don't help those people just to help Saudi win the chess game vs. Iran.
That's what the whole game is about, US ally Saudi wants Assad out cause he supports their enemy Iran. US seems to be complying.
If you really think about it, what really started everything was that foiled attempt to kill that Saudi ambassador supposedly by Iran. Was it really Iran who attempted it,or the Mossad, or who??
I guess you have it all figured out. I suppose Homs has King Saud on speed dial and hes calling the shots.
Saudi-Iranian relations have been from the very beginning. Aside from the sectarian strife inherent between the two peoples the original Grand Ayatollah viewed the Saudi royal line as illegitimate right from the get go. Saying that the discord is something new is just plain ignorant.
Al Qaeda has had training camps for combatants in north arfrica, the near east and on the arabian peninsula for decades. Those that have been trained there are now 'Al Qaeda' forever regardless of their actual political motivations. I think you attribute entirely too much conspiracy to the acts of a bunch of poor relatively uneducated 25 year olds.
Arab culture has a centuries long tradition of nomadic fighters. This is just the most recent incarnation of it.
Who said it's new? Understanding the Sunni-Shiite issues is step #1 to trying to figure out the Middle East. Most of the Islam world including Saudi is Sunni. Iran is Shiite and isolated in a way. Nobody said this is something new.
If all you can say of them is they are a bunch of uneducated 25 year olds you are being naive. Who organizes them? people who have money. Where does the money come from? oil money. All these organizations are highly organized and financed and go all the way to the top. They are not a "bunch of uneducated 25 year olds"Al Qaeda has had training camps for combatants in north arfrica, the near east and on the arabian peninsula for decades. Those that have been trained there are now 'Al Qaeda' forever regardless of their actual political motivations. I think you attribute entirely too much conspiracy to the acts of a bunch of poor relatively uneducated 25 year olds.
Agree, so picking sides is very ing dumb. yet the US has been picking sides so they can use it to their advantage for 60+ years.Arab culture has a centuries long tradition of nomadic fighters. This is just the most recent incarnation of it.
Really? I guess you missed the entire Desert Storm campaign...
They bombed them under a UN security council resolution after Ghadafi violated a cease fire order. Not unlike what triggered Desert Storm...
What is it that we know now? What's the report from the field, che?
cheguevara probably wasn't born yet during the Kosovo war either...
Lol King Saud as Jacobin club meets boutons/NBADan VRWC.
We are allies with Turkey and the Saudis. We picked that side in the 1940s.
ElNono
check your typing. You said "here". Here is the US. I obviously understood from that you were talking about the Civil War here.
How Ghadafi was murdered, how violent the rebels are, how the people are really scared there now, how they have no organization, how most people there actually were ok with Ghadafi being in power, how Ghadafi planned to stop selling his oil in dollarsWhat is it that we know now? What's the report from the field, che?
Yes, I was responding about the US over some bright "NATO attacking the US" hypothesis you threw out there...
The contention that people won't take arms on a civil war and fight for whatever they deem just for them is only in your head. Heck, you should be stripped of your nickname, for starters.
Iraq:
Within hours of the invasion, Kuwaiti and U.S. delegations requested a meeting of the UN Security Council, which passed Resolution 660, condemning the invasion and demanding a withdrawal of Iraqi troops.
United Nations Security Council Resolution 665 followed soon after, which authorized a naval blockade to enforce the economic sanctions against Iraq. It said the “use of measures commensurate to the specific cir stances as may be necessary ... to halt all inward and outward maritime shipping in order to inspect and verify their cargoes and destinations and to ensure strict implementation of resolution 661.”
Lybia:
On 19 March 2011, a multi-state coalition began a military intervention in Libya to implement United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973, which was taken in response to events during the Libyan civil war
Kosovo:
On 23 March 1999 at 22:17 UTC the Secretary General of NATO, Javier Solana, announced he had directed the Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR), US Army General Wesley Clark, to "initiate air operations in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia." On 24 March at 19:00 UTC NATO started its bombing campaign against Yugoslavia.
What planet are you from, che?
How do you know these things? Did you interview the Lybians?
Oh wait, you know these things from the evil media!
It's a civial war, che, not a picnic... the power struggle is going to be there for a while.
let me get it straight. you don't agree with the statement "the US attacked Iraq because they invaded Kuwait" ???
What country did Libya invade??
I gave up trying to make ElNono understand reason. He is one twisted puppy.
let me get it straight. you don't agree with the statement "the US attacked Iraq because they invaded Kuwait" ???
What country did Libya invade??
No.
let me get it straight. you don't agree with the statement "the US attacked Iraq because they invaded Kuwait" ???
The US invaded Iraq after Iraq was told to BY THE UN to withdraw from Kuwait, and it didn't follow.
And it wasn't just the US that attacked Iraq (in Desert Storm). It was a coalition of multinational forces (led by the US)
Lybia defied a resolution from the UN security council, much like Iraq did.
A) Nato didn't decide to attack Lybia. The UN security council did (which includes US arch-enemies such as Russia and China with veto power)
B) Nato has been picking sides well before Lybia (like in Kosovo, a decision that at the time didn't even have the UN security council backup)
wow indeed
Could you please put me on your ignore list? Thanks.
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