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    Carles in Charge: The Spurs and Mortality
    When winning just doesn't feel right



    By Carles on February 21, 2012



    The Spurs are 23-9, good for the second-best record in the Western Conference. They have wildly overachieved again. But when you watch the Spurs night in and night out, each game feels like a struggle with mortality. For years, they have been tabbed the most boring team in the league, and now it finally seems as if collective boredom might end up killing off its fan base. When deciding to confront the idea of your own imminent death, you never really know if you should celebrate the will of the human spirit that lives to fight for another day, or if you should just tell yourself that you are at peace with the legacy that you left behind.

    Watching Tim Duncan makes me feel that way. And even though the team is winning, nobody's really thinking that it's going to add up to much in the playoffs.

    While large-market teams can inspire the biggest stories and offer a context to extend the most general metaphors, the most vulnerable fan experiences are constructed in small markets, where the bouncing of Ping-Pong balls and competency of the front office are actually important to the city's economy and iden y.

    The funny thing about the Spurs is that they aren't even really dying — at least not when it comes to wins and losses — so the front office can't just put this generation to rest and start over. Sure, there are those sad moments when Tim Duncan gets his shots blocked by marginally talented young guys, but the team is thriving with a solid squadron built around Tony Parker. They've even already undergone the annual potentially catastrophic Manu Ginobili injury.

    The Spurs manage to excel in the regular season because they always seem to find a handful of overachievers to supplement their Big Three. In fact, every time a Spurs bench player overachieves, it is tempting to want to celebrate the success of the Spurs as an organization that can turn "moderately skilled, character guys" into legitimate NBA players. Role players like Kawhi Leonard, Danny Green, and Tiago Splitter have all exceeded early season expectations, sort of like how Gary Neal, George Hill, and DeJuan Blair all have in recent years. But these guys have a tendency to no-show in the playoffs, and the emotionally manipulative ride toward the postseason crash begins again next season.

    Does anyone really think the Spurs will win a playoff series? They were the no. 1 seed in last year's playoffs. They could be the no. 1 seed this year. This, in itself, is impressive, but when your benchmark is winning championships, what could be worse than a team that plays well in the regular season and then inevitably flames out in the playoffs to a much younger and cooler team?

    Perhaps one of the downsides of the Duncan era is that the Spurs haven't branded their team as a hot-spot destination that was only 'a piece away' from winning a le. They cultivate strength in accepting that they are what they are. Acknowledging that they were 'a piece away' would diminish the fans' faith in San Antonio's most important celebrities and heroes. It's hard to tell a city that a franchise formula that served as the foundation of its own iden y has flaws that might prevent the team from ever winning again.

    While most cities are driven to acquire and hype big-name stars, San Antonians would consider role players like Bruce Bowen and Avery Johnson to be just as crucial to the team and the city's iden y. San Antonio is the biggest small town in Texas and identifies itself as a working-class city. It isn't as trendy as Austin, as dehumanizing as the Houston sprawl, or as 'everything's bigger in Texas' as Dallas. San Antonio consists of loops of suburbia created by the Texan desire for new money to escape from the antiquated inner city for 'more acreage,' meaning that there is no cultural center in San Antonio. Theoretical cultural ins utions like the River Walk and the Alamo are basically packaged tourist destinations. Since Tim Duncan was drafted, the Spurs have become the cultural center of the city because Duncan was able to add substance to the projected ideals of David Robinson, who largely existed as a ringless figure of morality.

    The lack of widespread interest in the Spurs isn't surprising, because fans have the consumer right to use imaginary franchise classism to guide their interest in specific teams. That just means a small-market team has the challenge of convincing its fans that the team 'belongs,' and its fans aren't just an afterthought in the relevant tier of the NBA. After winning four championships and witnessing the greatest power forward of all time play on a nightly basis, the Spurs and their fans have constructed a championship psyche to overshadow any small-market insecurities.

    Most small-market NBA teams deploy various marketing gimmicks in order to 'get fans in the seats' and generate organic local interest in the team. Since they don't have a local media that can generate Linsanity levels of buzz to increase the profile of their team, they must offer unlimited crappy food, 'free swag,' and other upper deck promotions to add to the fan-perceived value of the team experience. However, the most important idea to be able to sell their fans on is the idea of 'hope.' Since the Spurs are trending downward, they aren't built on a traditional upward trending construct of NBA hope that teams like Oklahoma City, Minnesota, and even Washington are.

    Since the Spurs have already matured into a championship team, their current iteration of hope relies on constructing a narrative around savvy veterans who were able to overcome physical limitations in order to beat younger talent. Every other incubating franchise would love to achieve an imminent mid-round playoff exit where its team 'went down fighting.' When the Spurs go down fighting, it's just depressing and confusing to see those same figures fall after already achieving the pinnacle of basketball achievement.

    The Spurs are a unique 'small-market' team that operates as the only major professional franchise in the seventh-largest city in the United States. The cross-pollination of superstars with new and buzz-worthy markets has led to the Spurs' omission from more games than usual on this year's national TV schedule. Do mass-market fans really want to watch a team dying right before their eyes?

    When a small-market team is confronting its own franchise mortality, it automatically becomes a sad portrait of impending irrelevancy. The Spurs are somehow sadder than the Charlotte Bobcats because you can't just forget about them altogether. Whether it is the Spurs' recent playoff purgatory, Dwight Howard holding the Magic hostage, or the New Orleans Hornets establishing themselves as the league's premier free agent non-destination, all doomed small-market scenarios make fans wonder if they will ever feel any semblance of glory, pride, or even just marketable hope ever again.

    If the Spurs can't be celebrated for fighting against the imminent death of their golden era, can we just watch them and celebrate their legacy? Since Tim Duncan is unlikely to ever have a 'Look at Me, I Need Your Validation' Farewell Tour, the Spurs as we know them will disappear before we even knew we were supposed to appreciate them. We are quietly watching Duncan's Last Stand, and instead of rooting for rising teams to put the final nail in the Spurs' coffin, we should be rooting to see one of the NBA's last relics of historical greatness succeed one last time against artificially created buzz franchises and misguided marquee-player movement.

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    Carles in Charge: The Spurs and Mortality
    When winning just doesn't feel right



    By Carles on February 21, 2012



    The Spurs are 23-9, good for the second-best record in the Western Conference. They have wildly overachieved again. But when you watch the Spurs night in and night out, each game feels like a struggle with mortality. For years, they have been tabbed the most boring team in the league, and now it finally seems as if collective boredom might end up killing off its fan base. When deciding to confront the idea of your own imminent death, you never really know if you should celebrate the will of the human spirit that lives to fight for another day, or if you should just tell yourself that you are at peace with the legacy that you left behind.

    Watching Tim Duncan makes me feel that way. And even though the team is winning, nobody's really thinking that it's going to add up to much in the playoffs.

    While large-market teams can inspire the biggest stories and offer a context to extend the most general metaphors, the most vulnerable fan experiences are constructed in small markets, where the bouncing of Ping-Pong balls and competency of the front office are actually important to the city's economy and iden y.

    The funny thing about the Spurs is that they aren't even really dying — at least not when it comes to wins and losses — so the front office can't just put this generation to rest and start over. Sure, there are those sad moments when Tim Duncan gets his shots blocked by marginally talented young guys, but the team is thriving with a solid squadron built around Tony Parker. They've even already undergone the annual potentially catastrophic Manu Ginobili injury.

    The Spurs manage to excel in the regular season because they always seem to find a handful of overachievers to supplement their Big Three. In fact, every time a Spurs bench player overachieves, it is tempting to want to celebrate the success of the Spurs as an organization that can turn "moderately skilled, character guys" into legitimate NBA players. Role players like Kawhi Leonard, Danny Green, and Tiago Splitter have all exceeded early season expectations, sort of like how Gary Neal, George Hill, and DeJuan Blair all have in recent years. But these guys have a tendency to no-show in the playoffs, and the emotionally manipulative ride toward the postseason crash begins again next season.

    Does anyone really think the Spurs will win a playoff series? They were the no. 1 seed in last year's playoffs. They could be the no. 1 seed this year. This, in itself, is impressive, but when your benchmark is winning championships, what could be worse than a team that plays well in the regular season and then inevitably flames out in the playoffs to a much younger and cooler team?

    Perhaps one of the downsides of the Duncan era is that the Spurs haven't branded their team as a hot-spot destination that was only 'a piece away' from winning a le. They cultivate strength in accepting that they are what they are. Acknowledging that they were 'a piece away' would diminish the fans' faith in San Antonio's most important celebrities and heroes. It's hard to tell a city that a franchise formula that served as the foundation of its own iden y has flaws that might prevent the team from ever winning again.

    While most cities are driven to acquire and hype big-name stars, San Antonians would consider role players like Bruce Bowen and Avery Johnson to be just as crucial to the team and the city's iden y. San Antonio is the biggest small town in Texas and identifies itself as a working-class city. It isn't as trendy as Austin, as dehumanizing as the Houston sprawl, or as 'everything's bigger in Texas' as Dallas. San Antonio consists of loops of suburbia created by the Texan desire for new money to escape from the antiquated inner city for 'more acreage,' meaning that there is no cultural center in San Antonio. Theoretical cultural ins utions like the River Walk and the Alamo are basically packaged tourist destinations. Since Tim Duncan was drafted, the Spurs have become the cultural center of the city because Duncan was able to add substance to the projected ideals of David Robinson, who largely existed as a ringless figure of morality.

    The lack of widespread interest in the Spurs isn't surprising, because fans have the consumer right to use imaginary franchise classism to guide their interest in specific teams. That just means a small-market team has the challenge of convincing its fans that the team 'belongs,' and its fans aren't just an afterthought in the relevant tier of the NBA. After winning four championships and witnessing the greatest power forward of all time play on a nightly basis, the Spurs and their fans have constructed a championship psyche to overshadow any small-market insecurities.

    Most small-market NBA teams deploy various marketing gimmicks in order to 'get fans in the seats' and generate organic local interest in the team. Since they don't have a local media that can generate Linsanity levels of buzz to increase the profile of their team, they must offer unlimited crappy food, 'free swag,' and other upper deck promotions to add to the fan-perceived value of the team experience. However, the most important idea to be able to sell their fans on is the idea of 'hope.' Since the Spurs are trending downward, they aren't built on a traditional upward trending construct of NBA hope that teams like Oklahoma City, Minnesota, and even Washington are.

    Since the Spurs have already matured into a championship team, their current iteration of hope relies on constructing a narrative around savvy veterans who were able to overcome physical limitations in order to beat younger talent. Every other incubating franchise would love to achieve an imminent mid-round playoff exit where its team 'went down fighting.' When the Spurs go down fighting, it's just depressing and confusing to see those same figures fall after already achieving the pinnacle of basketball achievement.

    The Spurs are a unique 'small-market' team that operates as the only major professional franchise in the seventh-largest city in the United States. The cross-pollination of superstars with new and buzz-worthy markets has led to the Spurs' omission from more games than usual on this year's national TV schedule. Do mass-market fans really want to watch a team dying right before their eyes?

    When a small-market team is confronting its own franchise mortality, it automatically becomes a sad portrait of impending irrelevancy.
    The Spurs are somehow sadder than the Charlotte Bobcats because you can't just forget about them altogether. Whether it is the Spurs' recent playoff purgatory, Dwight Howard holding the Magic hostage, or the New Orleans Hornets establishing themselves as the league's premier free agent non-destination, all doomed small-market scenarios make fans wonder if they will ever feel any semblance of glory, pride, or even just marketable hope ever again.

    If the Spurs can't be celebrated for fighting against the imminent death of their golden era, can we just watch them and celebrate their legacy? Since Tim Duncan is unlikely to ever have a 'Look at Me, I Need Your Validation' Farewell Tour, the Spurs as we know them will disappear before we even knew we were supposed to appreciate them. We are quietly watching Duncan's Last Stand, and instead of rooting for rising teams to put the final nail in the Spurs' coffin, we should be rooting to see one of the NBA's last relics of historical greatness succeed one last time against artificially created buzz franchises and misguided marquee-player movement.
    Wow, just wow. Odd to write this after/during a double digit win streak, unless the author fees Spurs will flame out in 1st round again ...
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    The Spurs manage to excel in the regular season because they always seem to find a handful of overachievers to supplement their Big Three. In fact, every time a Spurs bench player overachieves, it is tempting to want to celebrate the success of the Spurs as an organization that can turn "moderately skilled, character guys" into legitimate NBA players. Role players like Kawhi Leonard, Danny Green, and Tiago Splitter have all exceeded early season expectations, sort of like how Gary Neal, George Hill, and DeJuan Blair all have in recent years. But these guys have a tendency to no-show in the playoffs, and the emotionally manipulative ride toward the postseason crash begins again next season.
    sadly, I strongly agree with this part. I would add that more often than not, our playoff leader, manu ginobili is injured which does not help our cause.

    This is why even if Spurs come in as #1 or #2 seed in the West into the playoffs, they will not be favorites.

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    I think this year's team is better than last, but until the big man situation up front is sorted out, it's hard to have faith that this team will even get to the WCF.

    Still, hard to not be very proud of how they've played this season

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    Naw we staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacked

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    I did ...timing seems odd. And to be honest, even as a Laker fan the lack of respect shown during your win streak (due to Linsanity, Howard rumors) is shameful.

    That being said I doubt you guys can win the West but a WCF run to me is not much of a stretch either ...

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    I think this year's team is better than last, but until the big man situation up front is sorted out, it's hard to have faith that this team will even get to the WCF.

    Still, hard to not be very proud of how they've played this season
    yup. tbh, this team reminds me of the Dallas teams circa 2006-2009. Amazing regular season teams, horrible playoff teams due to their style and inexperience.

    but I will not stop cheering for these underdogs and watching this team is actually a lot more entertaining that watching the Spurs of 2008-2011

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    Total debbie downer article that unfortunately pegs the majority of ST's fanbase rather well. Rather than enjoy the surprising streak against multiple quality opponents and all odds, let's remember how old our Big 3 are and how we're not "supposed" to be winning. Thanks, I really needed that dose of 'reality!' Not.

    This article proves how spoiled the Spurs fans have become - a fanbase where winning 11 straight is taken for granted because a championship isn't guaranteed.

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    If heat, OKC win this many their would be polls comparing them to the 72 win bulls. Knicks only won 7 straight and Lin was the top story on ESPN even though Parker has been even better than him during that time ...

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    By Carles on February 21, 2012



    now it finally seems as if collective boredom might end up killing off its fan base.

    David Robinson, who largely existed as a ringless figure of morality.

    The Spurs are somehow sadder than the Charlotte Bobcats

    the Spurs as we know them will disappear before we even knew we were supposed to appreciate them.

    I don't care if there are any valid points buried in the article. This was some of the most ignorant toilet-cake I have come across in a long time. Of course, the guy who wrote the article also wrote recent pieces led:

    Solving the Coac a Flyer Code
    How is Rihanna Doing This?
    and Does Coldplay's Mylo Xyloto Sound Enough Like Coldplay?

    His perspectives on the Spurs, San Antonio, David Robinson, and everything else pretty much go with the territory.

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    I did ...timing seems odd. And to be honest, even as a Laker fan the lack of respect shown during your win streak (due to Linsanity, Howard rumors) is shameful.

    That being said I doubt you guys can win the West but a WCF run to me is not much of a stretch either ...
    Total debbie downer article that unfortunately pegs the majority of ST's fanbase rather well. Rather than enjoy the surprising streak against multiple quality opponents and all odds, let's remember how old our Big 3 are and how we're not "supposed" to be winning. Thanks, I really needed that dose of 'reality!' Not.

    This article proves how spoiled the Spurs fans have become - a fanbase where winning 11 straight is taken for granted because a championship isn't guaranteed.
    If heat, OKC win this many their would be polls comparing them to the 72 win bulls. Knicks only won 7 straight and Lin was the top story on ESPN even though Parker has been even better than him during that time ...
    Agreed with all of the above. I really thought this article was a better read:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...-quiet-rampage

    Then, while everyone is placing bets on their collapse and is distracted by the league's shiny new objects or sexy sideshows, the Spurs quietly get to work. As the rest of the world has been wrapped up in the Linsanity over the past two weeks, the Spurs have ripped off a 10-game winning streak out of plain view.

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    Total debbie downer article that unfortunately pegs the majority of ST's fanbase rather well. Rather than enjoy the surprising streak against multiple quality opponents and all odds, let's remember how old our Big 3 are and how we're not "supposed" to be winning. Thanks, I really needed that dose of 'reality!' Not.

    This article proves how spoiled the Spurs fans have become - a fanbase where winning 11 straight is taken for granted because a championship isn't guaranteed.
    Sorry but the total failures of #1 seed outed by #8 seed and swept by Steve Nash say hi.

    Who gives a if we have a great regular season team if they fall on their face in the playoffs. It's not about being debbie downer, it's about realizing the last couple of years have been complete utter failures and mainly self inflicted.

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    That article makes some good points and a lot of really bad ones. The only thing I do agree with is that we have had a lot of role players not show up in the playoffs which kills us.

    For example, no matter how well he plays in the regular season Bonner can't seem to hit a shot once the playoffs role around...even if he is wide open. I absolutely expect that trend to continue though I would love to be proved wrong. More than that, I would love to trade Bonner for a role player that actually has some balls when it counts.

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    Sorry but the total failures of #1 seed outed by #8 seed and swept by Steve Nash say hi.
    Memphis was a top 3 defensive team with a bunch of favorable matchups who purposely tanked to play the Spurs because of said matchups. Manu wasn't healthy, either (so what if it happens every year? It's still a fact.)

    Most importantly, TP also had his worst series since, what, 2002? Maybe ever all things considered? Spurs also now have Tiago playing big minutes and Green+Neal ballsing up and improving with every game.

    Leave the anti-spurs trolling to the NBA forumers, plz, they do a more than well enough job at it.

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    Sorry but the total failures of #1 seed outed by #8 seed and swept by Steve Nash say hi.

    The CBA, salary cap, lux tax, and small market economics say hi back.

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    Memphis was a top 3 defensive team with a bunch of favorable matchups who purposely tanked to play the Spurs because of said matchups. Manu wasn't healthy, either (so what if it happens every year? It's still a fact.) Spurs now have Tiago playing big minutes and Green+Neal. Leave the anti-spurs trolling to the NBA forumers, plz.
    it was a ing 8 seed without arguably their best player, Gay.

    utter failure. wake up

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    Well, that guy certainly wrote alot of words.

    Grantland is Bill Simmons' creation, and Simmons has always shown great respect for the Spurs. Rather disappointing that he's associated with this rambling, incoherent pile of excrement.

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    The CBA, salary cap, lux tax, and small market economics say hi back.
    we're small market

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    it was a ing 8 seed
    No, they weren't; they couldve been 6th IIRC. Unless you don't think they tanked to purposely play the Spurs. And still among the best defensive team in the playoffs.

    without arguably their best player, Gay.


    utter failure. wake up
    I didn't say we won. The Spurs didn't lose like little es either, and that was with a big frontline discrepancy. Tiago Splitter and a healthy Manu and a NORMAL TP would have completely changed and probably won that series and you know it.

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    it's still a #1 seed losing to a #8. Historic failure.

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    it's still a #1 seed losing to a #8. Historic failure.
    it's not even a historic failure if you consider the Mavs lost to a much worse 8th seed who got their ass kicked in the next round.

    The Memphis Grizzlies took the OKC Thunder to 7 in the very next round and had some convincing plays and wins. Stop crapping on the Spurs and start giving Memphis some credit, loser.

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    not knowing what a failure of historic level is

    nobody gives a about a great regular season. at least, not me.

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    not knowing what a failure of historic level is
    I know you don't, since multiple teams have lost to 8th seeds before the Spurs did. It's not historic anymore the 2nd, 3rd or 20th or 100th time something happens. Notable? Sure. But not at a level to be considered 'historic.'

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    I know you don't, since multiple teams have lost to 8th seeds before the Spurs did. It's not historic anymore the 2nd, 3rd or 20th or 100th time something happens. Notable? Sure. But not at a level to be considered 'historic.'
    How many #1 seeds have played #8 seeds in history?

    How many of those #1s have lost?

    It is historic

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